[grabby]

Nonrenewable resources should be depleted at a rate equal to the rate of creation of renewable substitutes to remain at status quo.

Projects based on exploitation of nonrenewable resources should be paired with projects that develop renewable substitutes.

The net rents from the nonrenewable extraction should be separated into an income component and a capital liquidation component.

The capital component would be invested each year in building up a renewable substitute.

We cannot replace all of our current non-renewable energy with renewable energy - EVER. The quantity is too great.

We must decrease our non-renewable usage of energy to zeroe in the near future to prevent a sudden reduction, ergo a crash.

We must reduce our use of energy to the point of sustainable energy use only. (Wind, water, Solar) It must be limited to the power coming into each system each day. The power can be converted into usable energy in the forms of electricity or carbo hydrates or carbon based compounds. Manufacturing is wasteful and quickly depletes any advantage.

[Main unrefutable argument deleted due to negative responses ]

Translation for the kids:

Your Honda CR 1000 crotch rocket has just gotten up to speed at 196 MPH. Your ducked and heading down the nevada dessert.

a cow walks onto the highway and stops. she is 200 feet from you and your closing fast.


Your Honda CR 1000 crotch rocket has just gotten up to speed at 196 MPH. Your ducked and heading down the nevada dessert.

a cow walks onto the highway and stops. she is 200 feet from you and your closing fast.

You have a few choices.
1. Hit your brakes, but this reduces control (Make alternate biopfuels is the same equivalent)
2. Swerve (go to war and steal other countries oil but you will end up in the ditch)
3. Leap up off the bike stright in the air (they say at that speed you can actually fly for some time with your arms and legs and clear the cow and if you had leathers on it will be like a belly flop from 7 feet, not too bad. (Equivalent of moving to a clean, rainclimate and supporting yourself)
4. Lay it over and go under the cow (You could loose your head) This is like emergency conservation methods implemented today, you could survive but it will be painfull.
5. Ignore the cow and change radio station to a talk show discussing the pros and cons of alternate enrgies so you won't notice the impact. (This is what we are doing)
6. Honk your horn hope the cow moves. (Activism trying to change government) .
7. dial up peakmoto.com and post a last web site saying how you wished you were driving the speed limit then we wouldn't be in this mess.

I think the only answer is to hit the brakes and stop the motorcycle within 0.7 seconds. It would help to have seat belts though. The stop could be as bad as the crash when you hit the road.

But something else could happen. The cow could move, the bike could run out of gas and of course we can always discover fusion. and make cheap plentiful hydrogen.

Thats what it will take to make it through, a cheap plentiful source of energy cheaper and more available and in greater supply than oil. We need fusion to make it through this event and we need it within 3 weeks.

[Heineken]

Poor old "lose." He's gradually been turned into "loose," which means something entirely different (as in "Got any loose change on you?").

I'd like to put in a good word for "lose." He was a friend of mine, a decent fellow, clear and concise. He meant well---in fact, he meant exactly what he meant---but Internet illiterates are slowly killing him off. "Lose" is losing. Or should I say "loosing"??

Oh, yeah, collapse. Same thing happened to Ancient Rome, presaged by the corruption of Latin.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '
')3. Leap up off the bike stright in the air (they say at that speed you can actually fly for some time with your arms and legs and clear the cow and if you had leathers on it will be like a belly flop from 7 feet, not too bad. (Equivalent of moving to a clean, rainclimate and supporting yourself)

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '4'). Lay it over and go under the cow (You could loose your head) This is like emergency conservation methods implemented today, you could survive but it will be painfull.

[grabby]

Thanks for the warning, I am wincing a bit already.

[KrellEnergySource]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'S')orry to nitpik your analogy but I know people who have gone superman on a bike and it hurts like hell.
-G

[Ludi]

You keep posting these threads like this stuff is some kind of huge revelation to you, grabby. Where have you been all this time? We've gone over this stuff a bunch of times. Why the big deal about it now? Why these big ol' rants of yours?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'P')oor old "lose." He's gradually been turned into "loose," which means something entirely different (as in "Got any loose change on you?").

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'P')oor old "lose."

[KhanCEO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '
')There will be 75% less population to keep our lifestyle the same.
IF we were repl;acing 25% of our energy with reneables, which we are not.

Or your lifestyle will be 75% less than today. IF we had 25% renewables which we do not.
So more than likely our lifestyle will be 90 % less than today keeping the same population.

Current society is unsustainable at 25% of todays energy use.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'O')h, leave him alone. They're a lot of fun.

[grabby]

I thought it was a good story, and I never heard of peak oil put into the scenario of a cow and motorcycle before, so I thyought it would help cowboys and bikers, so hey, why not.

except for the unhappy cow ending, (I didn't show the crsh anyway) didn't mean to get the spca riled up, but cows do wander onto highways around here all the time.

Maybe somebody can make one up that ladies or farmers would like.

Nothing comes to mind right now, but If anyone has an idea just post it. We can call them POP's or peak oil parallels.

[BlisteredWhippet]

The answer is:

SPLAT!



Given that,

at 196 mph, or 287.5 feet per second, you will hit the cow in about .7 seconds. So...

1. Hit your brakes (NO)

2. Swerve (NO)

3. Leap up off the bike (HELL NO)

4. Lay it over (NO)

5. Ignore the cow (Quite possible you will not be able to formulate even a simple thought about the cow in time)

6. Honk your horn (er, umm... NO)

7. Phone a Friend... (NO!)



Bottom line is, you gonna hit the cow, and you will have no time for any cognitive higher-level "rational" response. Any response will be carried out by the autonomic nervous system.

BTW, I have "supermanned" before and walked away.

I firmly believe practicing Yoga and maintaining flexibility was the thing that allowed my body to react in the right way at the right time, at time scales too small to think about "rationally". In the case of Peak Oil I think its an excellent metaphor.

The other M/C crashing metaphor I would apply to PO, and one I tell every rider I talk to about crashing is: don't have a crashing mindset. Don't anticipate crashing, and don't crash to avoid crashing. Your attitude must be "I WILL stay on the bike no matter what" not "If something comes up I will ditch it, or jump off, etc."

Insert >> "But I lowsided when I was about to hit a minivan last year and otherwise would have gotten killed... blah blah".

Answer: I have also ditched to avoid a crash. I was stupid, I learned from my mistake.

"Ride Different"

[grabby]

The floppy drunks surprisingly do very well with fewer broken bones and they flop around better when they're relaxed.

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'I') have also ditched to avoid a crash. I was stupid, I learned from my mistake.

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'T')he floppy drunks surprisingly do very well with fewer broken bones and they flop around better when they're relaxed.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '
')I firmly believe practicing Yoga and maintaining flexibility was the thing that allowed my body to react in the right way at the right time, at time scales too small to think about "rationally". In the case of Peak Oil I think its an excellent metaphor.

The other M/C crashing metaphor I would apply to PO, and one I tell every rider I talk to about crashing is: don't have a crashing mindset. Don't anticipate crashing, and don't crash to avoid crashing. Your attitude must be "I WILL stay on the bike no matter what" not "If something comes up I will ditch it, or jump off, etc."

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', ' ')And I know that if I was in the Titanic, I'd be heading for the lifeboats. And if it was too late to grab a lifeboat, I'd get the first thing that approximated one.

[Heineken]

I agree with some others that Grabby has a loose (not "lose," ha ha) screw, but at least he's crazy in the right direction.

In any case, he's totally immune to criticism, a trait I generally admire but that can backfire. For example, he seems immune to the criticism that few will actually read his mile-long posts, so he goes right on writing them.

I guess he just lives in his own, special, Grabby world. More power to you, Grab.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '.')..I prefer the Titanic metaphor...if it was too late to grab a lifeboat, I'd get the first thing that approximated one.