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The Bigger Picture

Unread postby Omnium » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 12:33:14

One thing I've noticed is that most of humanity have a collective 'psychology' problem.

For example, lots of people are in denial of the truth, but I've also noticed that almost no one sees the bigger picture, you know the grand scheme of things... Even Peak Oilers are guilty of this too...

let me explain:

Recently I found out at Alex Jones website prisonplanet.com he
has publicly/officially announced a "call to action" warning the US public that he predicts there is a 90% chance that another 9/11
type staged government sponsered attack would occur on or before October 6th 2006.

This guy obviously is not 'anti-american' and depending how you view it, one could say he is VERY PRO-america, and even a true patriot. He loves his 'country' with all his heart, and he despises the crooked guys in office that is turning this country into a 'police-state' and undermining everything America stands for and causing the collapse of America itself.

But is that what BUSH and co. is REALLY doing?
PNAC is not off to destroy America, it exists for the sole
purpose of PRESERVING American hemegony in the 21st century.
(something that is increasingly hard to accomplish, thus the drastic measures of energy pearl harbors)

The way I see it, Bush and America's scheme to live and prosper will bring down global civilization and humanity itself down faster.
America's 'success' will other further serve to 'crash' earth faster...


BUT, is that really a 'bad' thing?

See this is the extreme irony of it all, you Peak Oilers aren't really much different from the brainwashed 'masses'. Much like the same way Alex Jones isn't much different than George Walker Bush.

Think about it. Think....

The bacteria in a petri dish let natures due course take its course, what will happen will happen. Every form of life instictive 'follows' the course of nature. Without life there is no death, yet without death there is no life. The Yin and the Yang are both equally necessary and need to be in balance. Death is a nature part of 'life'.
Whether this is death of a cell, a body, or an entire civilization or species. The dinosaurs had to die off to make way for new fresh forms of life, for a better variety, and genetic diversity and evolution dictates the ABSOLUTE need for 'death'. Without death there would be no renew, no process, and no optimization.

Each of us are here today because of the eons of lifeforms that came and went before us. They are (for the most part) all long long past gone, yet they served a 'purpose' and had 'meaning' while they existed. But they didn't last forever, and neither will we as human beings last forever.

Why is this so hard for you guys to understand and accept?

Yes America is acting like a virus, Bush/Enron Government is acting like there is no tomorrow, the World is unsustainable, we are no smarter than bacteria in a petri dish.

But need we be? If this is nature's design, and nature's intent, then WHO ARE WE to challenge that? Who are we to be clever and try to circumvent and prevent the all but too inevitable death of this homo sapien specieces?

Yes, know that the Government is the greatest liar in the world makes me bad. Knowing that 9/11 was staged, the devils acting as angels, infuriates me. But in the grand scheme of things,
I think everything is happening exactly as its supposed to.

And that is liberating.
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby ClubOfRomeII » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 12:41:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnium', '
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Yes, know that the Government is the greatest liar in the world makes me bad. Knowing that 9/11 was staged, the devils acting as angels, infuriates me.



9/11 was staged? I musta missed that one in all the hoopla over those Saudi guys diving the planes into buildings and such.
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby Comp_Lex » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 13:07:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnium', 'Y')es, know that the Government is the greatest liar in the world makes me bad. Knowing that 9/11 was staged, the devils acting as angels, infuriates me. But in the grand scheme of things,
I think everything is happening exactly as its supposed to.

And that is liberating.


Do you have the same psychological problem as the rest of humanity?

If not, are you the only one who sees the bigger picture?

If not, then who's going to tell you that you are right?

I think that I see the bigger picture as well and I believe that Arabs bombed the WTC.
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby KrellEnergySource » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 15:01:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnium', 'w')e are no smarter than bacteria in a petri dish.

But need we be? If this is nature's design, and nature's intent, then WHO ARE WE to challenge that? Who are we to be clever and try to circumvent and prevent the all but too inevitable death of this homo sapien specieces?


Who are we? We are a species capable of feeling awe at the wonderful complexity and beauty of life, and anger at the cruelty and injustice of it at the same time. We have the ability to gain and transfer knowledge quickly rather than wait for it to evolve as instinct. We can envision positive futures as well as negative futures, and we can make moral choices for good or immoral choices for evil.

I guess some people like to believe we are stardust and golden, children of a universe that have a right to be here. Others see us as bacteria, a virus or, at best, stupid monkeys. I know which group I'd rather see proven right, and that shapes my own beliefs as to what we are and what we can be.

[EDIT: I'm also a doomer, lest anyone think otherwise from what I wrote. I believe mankind is something special in the cosmos, but that doesn't change the facts about what horrors we are capable of and how little we collectively value cooperation over competition.]

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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby KhanCEO » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 17:09:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnium', '
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Yes, know that the Government is the greatest liar in the world makes me bad. Knowing that 9/11 was staged, the devils acting as angels, infuriates me. But in the grand scheme of things,
I think everything is happening exactly as its supposed to.

And that is liberating.


1. It is not liberating to me.
2. Alex Jones is not here to inform you, he is here to feed you disinformation.
3. If you only knew just how far the rabbit hole goes........
4. I share the same views of michael ruppert and his staff fromthewilderness.com
Watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ke+ruppert

Read this.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... rave.shtml

As you can see Alex Jones is great for the government. He is the guy that discredits real research, frames questions and ultimately misleads people.

I have a lot more respect for Mr. Ruppert because I feel his information is far more accurate.
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby Chaparral » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 02:27:48

Uhhh, so you're saying that we should just kick back and finish off the Merlot and wait till the end comes? Sounds like you're using a rather teleological view of things to justify doing nothing. I can't call your view a big picture anymore than I can call some creation myth about the world being created in 7 days by an omnipotent all seeing god the big picture. What if there is no intent on the part of Nature or God or Tolkien's Illuvatar or Zoroaster or Allah or Great Spirit or the Supernatural Space Hippo or the Spaghetti Monster God? What if all this is just the result of colliding particles with no beginning and no end and no purpose?

There's a lot of big pictures out there and it seems that they are like opinions, anuses and armpits; everybody has one. Many known personally to me use such "big pictures" to justify their own laziness and lack of preparation. Perhaps that is where the "liberation" comes into play. For my part, I'll leave this kind of "liberation" lying in the stagnant ditch where i last saw it.

You can keep your big picture. I'll keep building my lifeboat.
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby aldente » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 04:42:47

Thanks for the link Khan. There is one quote from Michael Ruppert that I picked up in the past and that struck me which was in the nature of this: If there is one thing that would need to be changed in order to change the current circumstances it is the way 'money works'.

Money is as complex as life itself it seems in its application and involvement. How to make friends with such a sucker, goddess and tyrant?
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 23:20:44

I've looked at all the 9/11 conspiracy theories and I don't find any of them persuasive. The only thing that is a little odd is how large the United Flight 93 debris field was--there were pieces of plane found up to 8 miles away I believe and one of the engines was about a mile from the crash sight, as I recall. Maybe this means the plane broke up before it hit the ground because of some wild maneuver or maybe a missile hit it....

But as for the idea that the whole thing was a conspiracy by the U.S. government, I think that is a sad interpretation of a really awful act by a group of Islamic radicals.
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby ClubOfRomeII » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 14:24:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
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But as for the idea that the whole thing was a conspiracy by the U.S. government, I think that is a sad interpretation of a really awful act by a group of Islamic radicals.


I think it goes beyond "sad interpretation" myself. Like maybe "silly speculations while drunk by a blind person who doesn't know how to spell physics let alone what its FOR" might cover it better?
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 15:11:10

buhbuhberererererererererererer!!! - lewis black

We evolve.
Guided mainly by our animal instinct we made it this far.
We will now learn to suppress these instincts and allow our brain to guide us the rest of the way.......... or not.
Think monkey think!!!

This is what Neitzsche meant when he spoke of the "overman" which is more then likely where we get the word superman from.
A being that transcends and solves problems...hmm with logic.

This also directly correlates with Darwin's "strongest".
In my attempts to define wether or not humans are special I find myself tangled in a web of words attempting to define the word "special".
If one choses to see things in a "matrix analogy" sense then we could even question the first two words "are we?".
All I want is a picture showing the face of the first monkey to panick when it first noticed it had hands ;-)

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profound! ;-)
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Re: The Bigger Picture

Unread postby katkinkate » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 21:59:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnium', '.')...But need we be? If this is nature's design, and nature's intent, then WHO ARE WE to challenge that? Who are we to be clever and try to circumvent and prevent the all but too inevitable death of this homo sapien specieces?.....


It's the way of all life to fight for it's continued existance. We all know we are going to die one day. Yet we live hoping to put that day off for as long as possible.
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