[Miki]

[align=center]Public Opinion is based on what the Mainstream Media feeds the Public [/align]

Media's distortions and lies of omission manipulate the public into war with Iraq

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he extreme dishonesty and lack of journalistic integrity was grotesquely evident when not one mainstream reporter dared point out that Bush lied on 9/12 about why we were targeted on 9/11. It is upon this Big Lie that the lies justifying a war on Iraq are built. The Bush team cynically considered 9/11 an opportunity.

There are glaring examples of journalists' abuse of their power. Most striking is the total exclusion of the fact that Bush's war violates International Law and U.S. Law. The media's assumption that lawlessness does not even merit a mention is sickening. They constantly allow the Bush Administration to sell this war with talk of Saddam's crimes without pointing out the role of the U.S. in helping him carry out these crimes. That Saddam most likely would not even be in power today had it not been for the U.S.'s own violations of International Law is never mentioned. U.S. policy makers helped Saddam stay in power even after the Gulf War. Reporters never question these polices or why American soldiers must now lay down their lives when the U.S. was supporting Saddam during his worst atrocities.U.S. involvement in Saddam's gassing is yet another story the media refuses to cover. (see also: Today's outrage was yesterday's no big deal )

[rogerhb]

You missed the letters US from the title of this thread.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'Y')ou missed the letters US from the title of this thread.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou're in Oceania (sp?)

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou're in Oceania (sp?)

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'A')nd how is the media there?

[rwwff]

Miki, your original post discusses some things about Saddam.

If you're an American newspaper, and you have cars, soap, and brisket to sell; exactly why in the world would you bother to write a complicated, detailed, boring story about conspiracies and untried allegation of corruption? You need pictures of things going boom. You need a famous person outraged at something (whom you ask about their next movie during the interview). You need something that economically and directly touches a reader, taxes, broken water main, damaged electric grid, new highway construction., etc.

If a daily newspaper in the US were to write stories as you suggest, the government wouldn't have to shut them down; they'd go bankrupt in a matter of weeks.

And TV is even more brutal.

The best an American can do is use drudge and google news to find overseas articles expressing different points of view as seen from outside the US. I like to read both sides, as written by their most involved advocates; others like to read bbc or xinhua news as they are much more detached.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'T')he Pacific Ocean will do nicely.

Oceania sounds too Orwellian.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'U')S Media Corruption...

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')f you're an American newspaper, and you have cars, soap, and brisket to sell; exactly why in the world would you bother to write a complicated, detailed, boring story about conspiracies and untried allegation of corruption? You need pictures of things going boom. You need a famous person outraged at something (whom you ask about their next movie during the interview). You need something that economically and directly touches a reader, taxes, broken water main, damaged electric grid, new highway construction., etc.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'U')S Media Corruption...

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')I don't expect any news medium to be 100% neutral, but the minimum they could do is show the facts from all sides of the story. The American media fails to do that each and every time.

[Specop_007]

Hey Miki, did you help them set up the poses of the dead children?

You're right, the media is biased. Parading around the bodies of dead children all day for photo ops is terrible.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')ey Miki, did you help them set up the poses of the dead children?

You're right, the media is biased. Parading around the bodies of dead children all day for photo ops is terrible.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')ey Miki, did you help them set up the poses of the dead children?

You're right, the media is biased. Parading around the bodies of dead children all day for photo ops is terrible.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')I agree Spec. I was as indignated as you when I saw that they showed the massacre of Qana, while failing to show all the massacres that have happened here in the last 30 days. The media should show everything that is happening, not just one day, but everyday of the conflict.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')ey Miki, did you help them set up the poses of the dead children?

You're right, the media is biased. Parading around the bodies of dead children all day for photo ops is terrible.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')I agree Spec. I was as indignated as you when I saw that they showed the massacre of Qana, while failing to show all the massacres that have happened here in the last 30 days. The media should show everything that is happening, not just one day, but everyday of the conflict.

[rwwff]

I think the network you want already exists, FSTV, the problem is, its a lot harder to say, "there ought to be a channel..." than it is to produce a dozen or so hours of content everyday for broadcast.

Doesn't Al-Jazeera cover this sorta stuff the way you'd prefer?

[Kylon]

Channel 9415 I find is good on satellite, for an interesting side of news, and also channel 9410(Link) is also good for issues like that.

I watch sourcecode for some of the environmental information I get, various documentaries, sometimes(not always) Democracy Now. There was a small documentary series, called "Rich Media, Poor Democracy", I've watched some of that(not all). There is also something called "Affluenza" which talks about consumerism and materialism I plan on watching.

The media you are looking for does exist. It's just not popular. If people wanted to hear the truth, they'd seek it out.

Demanding that the media portray in an unbiased fashion is like expecting the populace to respond to Peak Oil, and actually take it in. The media isn't going to make it's watchers too uncomfortable. It will only make them uncomfortable enough to believe that it's true, in order that people can find solace in the media. This way they will be happy/happier, will believe what the media is telling them is true, and that way they make the greatest amounts of profits.