[frankthetank]

Michael Moore and 9/11.5 .... It relates to peak oil, right?

http://tinyurl.com/3ornd

[quote]OOD MORNING: Michael Moore met with Harvey Weinstein and Moore says they plan to start working -- now -- on "Fahrenheit 9/11½." "We want to get cameras rolling now and have it ready in two-three years," Moore says. "We want to document and commercialize it. Fifty-one percent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them. They weren't told the truth. We're communicators and it's up to us to start doing it now. The official mourning period is over today and there is a silver lining -- George W. Bush is prohibited by law from running again." And as for those who claim that Hollywood was an albatross on the Democrats' neck, Moore says, "America loves Hollywood. When given a chance to vote for someone from Hollywood, they jump in." He cited the history of successful Republican actor-politicians from George Murphy to Ronnie Reagan to Arnold. "Who is the Democrats' Arnold? We have a number of them. What American wouldn't vote for Tom Hanks (news)? Hollywood is full of people like that." When I asked what actor would trade a $20 million salary and a percentage of the gross, he countered with "Let's pay the actor-politicians a presidential salary of $20 million -- plus a percentage of the GNP." He says "Hollywood gets a chance for one more vote this year": Moore and Harvey are going ahead on the Oscar campaign for "Fahrenheit 9/11" in best picture and other applicable categories. Harvey told him, "Let's do it. And I said 'whatever Harvey wants, I'm ready.'" He isn't bothered by the absence of suitable category for a Golden Globe nomination --" We're not a musical, comedy or dramatic feature." He laughingly admits, "I don't know if people want to see me on the stage of the Kodak again. However, since my wife (Kathleen) was the producer, if I win -- she speaks!". Thousands of the "Fahrenheit" DVDs have been donated to libraries and schools. He gave them away on his trek through 63 cities in the past month -- they included stops in Ohio and Florida. The issues (for the next film) have not changed because of the election. "They are Iraq (news - web sites) and terrorism." He says he continues to get mail from the armed forces telling of their disappointments." I asked about his hate mail? "There's very little. It's dropped down to a few drive-by gloaters." And yes, he'll continue preparing his other film, "Sicko," on the national health care industry.[quote]

can it top the last one???

[Specop_007]

More Moore....Yeah, thats just what we need.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'M')ore Moore....Yeah, thats just what we need.

[rerere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'M')ichael Moore and 9/11.5 .... It relates to peak oil, right?

[savethehumans]

This documentary about health care sounds MUCH more interesting. The truth about THAT topic could make ANYONE sick!

I'd like to see Moore REALLY take on peak oil/resource wars/the economic house of cards. I like the guy. He's a video muckraker, in the best sense of the term! We could do worse than having him be one of our spokesmen. Wish he'd spend more time on the people's suffering AFTER the crash of the system that makes them suffer so right now. Can't blame him (much), though: the NOW is so much more REAL than even the immediate LATER.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'M')ore Moore....Yeah, thats just what we need.

[frankthetank]

Spec I was watching CSPAN(one of those channels) and they had the author from "MM is a big fat liar" (whatever the title). He was ranting on and on about how so much was taking out of context (wow...haven't seen that before!). He did have some logical points about Moore and his penthouse in NY and all the money he has made. What was funny is that the guy actually agreed with the basic theme of the "documentary" and that was he didn't agree with the war either. He also stated he didn't think Moore went into enough detail on the Patriot Act (hes against this too).

I'm really interested in seeing what he comes up this time. I really hope he dives into the reality of oil, and not conspiracy theories on how the Bin Ladens escaped on private jets.

[Aaron]

Don't agree with Moore's films always... but the video clips are priceless.

[PhilBiker]

Moore is a coniving lying jack-ass who does more harm than good to any cause he espouses. Which -really- pisses me off because I more often than not sympathize with his causes.

[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')M is a fool, an idiot and a poser. If he didnt dress like an overweight jobless bum and had some self respect for himself I MIGHT take him a bit more serious. But until he has the self respect to dress decently, I have no use for the guy.

[savethehumans]

Not that I want to be flamed (please), but for the record: Moore's new book, "The Fahrenheit 911 Reader," does expound upon his sources of information. The sources seem well-researched and credible, IMHO. And the more stuff that happens in D.C. and Iraq, the more convincing Moore's points seem to me. But, hey, maybe I just find Moore's "lies" more agreeable than the US government's "truths"....

Moore's dress is symbolic: he wants to look like the so-called "little" people for whom he fights. He was in a tux when he collected the Palm d'Or, so he CAN dress to fit the occasion. (Though directing a film, which is a VERY hard and draining job, had a dress code, is news to me. Thanks for passing it on! ) As for his lifestyle, if YOU were as controversial as he is, and YOU had the money to set your family up where they might be safer from your, uh, detractors, wouldn't YOU do it? I'm sure Mr. Moore wishes everyone could have a comfortable income instead of ekeing out a living. (I also think he was probably really surprised at how famous and wealthy he's gotten! To his credit, it doesn't seem to have changed him, or his "crusade," much.)

I'm glad there are still Michael Moores out there who can still do the things he does (you know: free speech, tell truth, etc.). I don't think this freedom's gonna be around much longer--so keep it up, Mike, for as long as you can!

[MonteQuest]

[quote="Specop_007
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')M is a fool, an idiot and a poser. His videos, while certainly evoking emotional repsones, are for the most part a hodgepodge of information taken from a variety of timeframes then clipped together. The end result is a lie.

[trespam]

I think Michael Moore is as well researched as the editorial page of the wall street journal, national review, and the weekly standard. The difference is that the individual who represent those three papers are considered experts talking heads and are commonly contracted for Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and other popular news outlets. Michael Moore is painted as the fringe, but not more than these three publications.

To me, that is the shift and the problem in the US: The fringe on the right is in control, whereas the fringe on the left is much more marginalized.

[Anjorni]

Moore on peak oil? I dunno... I think he's better suited at vocalizing peoples pre-conceptions. People already knew Iraq was a huge mistake, and had already heard that Saudi's were flown out of the country at the same time everyone else was grounded... Trying to open peoples minds to something that many have no idea about... I dont think that's something he'd be able to accomplish (or at least make a bunch of money at)

I dont know if he would even touch peak oil. Shoot - he may not even believe it, let alone try to uncover the biggest cover-up since I-dunno-when... Heck - I dont even think the Saudi's know what the truth is anymore - they've been lying so long!

I'd like for Moore to dig into this one, but then again - we could have right-wingers dismiss it, telling the rest of the population that it's a big POS, and that it's all lies - the same story big industry has been feeding us all along...

[savethehumans]

There's a chapter in his "Stupid White Men" that he sets in a projected post-peak future, where a grandpa who lived through the peak years tells his granddaughter about what it was like. Some of it is pretty sobering.

Yeah, Moore knows about peak oil, and he believes in it.

Fahrenheit 911 was originally supposed to be JUST about 9/11. But then Iraq happened, and it became much more. Moore's now planning a film called Fahrenheit 911-1/2, in which he plans to focus on how a second term of Dubya is making things even worse. As peak oil is often projected to happen during these next four years--and economic collapse during this time is virtually certain--I suspect this film is going to become much more, too...and peak oil will be part of it!

[Specop_007]

Moore supporters wouldnt believe what I say any more then I believe what Moore says. We've drawn our lines in the sand and wont be crossing them anytime soon.

In the interest of education though, if you DO want to know and are seeking truth I shall give you a recipe... Follow it, and somewhere in the mixing you will find TRUTH and not political propoganda...

Farenheit 9/11
Farenhype9/11
59 Deciets

I will say this. Moore isnt a liar per se. I will intentionally stand corrected on that issue. But he is an absolute master of half truths and "sleight if film" as it were.
And for those still seeking TRUTH, bowling for columbine was mainly a crock of shit too (Half truths)

[duff_beer_dragon]

Moore = twat

he's on an anti-drugs crusade against Skull & Bones via the Bush family,

S&B was long ago connected to opium smuggling.

I was wearing my white peace poppy during the recent war, in public.