[PeakOiler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'T')ake a look at the way the south is developing. Sprawl, more sprawl, planning more of it and proud of it. A couple of 24-lane highways planned, etc. Hard to respect "the south" when it continues to remain ignorant, ignore, whatever you call it, of the hard realities ahead. Same states where renewable clean energy isn't even on the radar screen. No thanks.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Why do so many Peak Oil authorities hate Southerners?

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Why do so many Peak Oil authorities hate Southerners?

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HamRadioRocks', 'I')s it just me, or are some Peak Oil authorities (like Kunstler) prejudiced against Southerners?...

[benzoil]

Kunstler should be our nation's Curmudgeon Laureate. He disses everyone.

In Southern Parlance, I am a Damn Yankee - one who comes South and ends up staying. I am a proud University of Georgia graduate, but have a more jaundiced eye than true southerners.

What scares Kunstler is the thought of millions of armed, undereducated, underemployed, pissed off people who thought GW was a good idea twice. Is that a valid fear? Not so much. Can you make a case for it? Sure. The South is already the most armed, least educated, poorest part of the country. Extrapolate from there.

Not so fast. All that regional pride that people diss is the kind of community bond that doesn't exist in many places anymore. That'll do some real good. The bad news is that a state the size of Georgia has 122 counties. Lots of local fiefdoms in the past. Some see that in the future.

In the end, I don't see the Old South having nearly the problems of California or Arizona or Nevada once cheap oil and cheap natural gas go away. You can survive 95 degree heat without air. You can grow food in red clay. There is a sense of place in the South that is wierdly unifying.

Personally, I'd rather be in Madison, Wisconsin than Macon, Georgia post peak, but you could make a case for both.

Addendum: It also just occured to me that the South has a bug chunk of US oil and gas reserves. Even the foreign oil comes through Louisiana. Hmmm...maybe the South will do much better than anyone thinks.

[Aaron]

With the largest Wind Power project in the country, and our own electrical grid, not connected to the rest of the country, as well as significant oil & gas reserves, plus nuclear plants & BioWillie...

I'm gonna have to say...

Come now... eventually we will close the borders. (except to our esteemed Mexican friends... & Canadians... we like Canadian folks... they hunt & fish)

I like Kuntsler fine... big mouth though.

A Texan who can't hunt or fish, is like a Jedi who can't build his own light sabre.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '.')..hunt or fish...

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '.')..hunt or fish...

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '.')..hunt or fish...

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')There's a big difference between predation and what passes for huntin' and fishin' these days. The latter are focused primarily on torturing animals for fun, otherwise known as "catch and release" and "varmint hunting."

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')There's a big difference between predation and what passes for huntin' and fishin' these days. The latter are focused primarily on torturing animals for fun, otherwise known as "catch and release" and "varmint hunting."

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'N')ot sure if you've met many "varmint hunters," but I have. They get a thrill out of killing. Generally has very little to do with pest control. I have no problem with controlling pests--I kill ants and roaches with a vengeance. But many so-called varmint hunters I've met operate on public lands, where there is no legitimate need for "pest control." They simply enjoy blasting critters, just for the sheer joy of seeing them die. I consider this psychopathic behavior. And it has nothing to do with gun politics--I'm a serious gun nut. It has to do with people who enjoy killing for killing's sake. These are not good people.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'N')ot sure if you've met many "varmint hunters," but I have. They get a thrill out of killing. Generally has very little to do with pest control. I have no problem with controlling pests--I kill ants and roaches with a vengeance. But many so-called varmint hunters I've met operate on public lands, where there is no legitimate need for "pest control." They simply enjoy blasting critters, just for the sheer joy of seeing them die. I consider this psychopathic behavior. And it has nothing to do with gun politics--I'm a serious gun nut. It has to do with people who enjoy killing for killing's sake. These are not good people.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'W')ell, I never had a particularly high opinion of you to begin with. You're a stereotypical --------- Texan, and no, that's not a compliment.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, I never had a particularly high opinion of you to begin with. You're a stereotypical fucking Texan, and no, that's not a compliment. I consider most Texans slightly lower than pond scum and a lot less intelligent.

[Cloud9]

Don’t forget that the south was a conquered country and became a colony of the north for a hundred years. As I recall, Sherman and company did everything possible to destroy southern infrastructure. Check out Sherman’s neckties some time. It seems to me that before and after the civil war most of the heavy industry was and is in the north. When was the last time a Ford pickup was built in Atlanta?

As far as racism is concerned, a racist is anybody who wants his grand children to look like he does. Look in your own heart of hearts and see what you see there. I suspect that sentiment runs north and south and east and west.

As far as southerners being ignorant and stupid, keep thinking that. We would much rather be underestimated than over estimated. It makes it easier for us to sell you better educated more intelligent northerners swamp land as prime real-estate. Welcome to Florida.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')herman’s neckties some time. It seems to me that before and after the civil war most of the heavy industry was and is in the north. When was the last time a Ford pickup was built in Atlanta?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')he source and originators of the true plague of cheap and near infinitely available petroleum for oh so long.

[Cloud9]

It is true that the Sun Belt has seen a great deal of growth since the 1970’s. Still much of our industry tends to be light compared to the behemoths that dominated the north. I must confess that I haven’t been to Pittsburg in decades. I suppose it is possible that all those blast furnaces have rusted away. Maybe that is the reason that every tool you pick up these days is stamped made in China.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')he source and originators of the true plague of cheap and near infinitely available petroleum for oh so long.