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Re: What a pile of dung!

Unread postby Doly » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 04:33:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WellHung', 'R')ead this folks and see how the psyche of a past generation has been transmitted to the present minds of certain people:


1. I can understand the logic of this article, and I'm in favour of making distinctions, but
2. What is this doing in this thread?
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 08:12:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
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Faith means trusting in the faithfulness of God, thus if you do not believe God is real and God is good you cannot have faith that saves.


I am not sure how you can describe the Christian god as good. The Old Testament is packed full of the vengeance of the god of Israel- and the many cities which god supposedly ordered put to the sword is exhibit number one. How could anyone label as good a god who orders women, children, and old people put to the sword by the tens and even hundreds of thousands??

However, I have faith.

I have faith that the creator of the universe would not go around ordering human blood sacrifices.

I have faith that such a creator would have a thousand ways in which to lead his children to knowledge other than to threaten them with hell and antichrists etc.

I have faith that the creator gave humans a brain in order to think and question- not blindly accept the fantastic hallucinations of demented priests as is found in Revelations.

I have faith that the creator would not expect me to accept such fantastic inventions as devils, demons, angels, virgin births, resurrections, torturous hells etc when I have neither seen these things nor have I seen a single verifiable fact that supports the existence of these claims.

And the analogy is made between a human father and the Christian god as a father.....let me ask you this........

Would even the most evil human father condemn one of his children to an eternity of torment just because that child did not immediately accept his fathers viewpoint?


What you've just done is committed one of the oldest sins in the world - idolatry. You've created a god to suit yourself.

In order to understand God's Justice, you have to understand the problem with this world. We are seperated and sinful, and under God's Wrath. God is Holy and Just therefore He must punish sin, but He is also very patient and loving in that He's made a way back to Him through the sacrafice of Jesus Christ.

Concentrating too much on one particular characteristic of God, such as love, gives an unbalanced view. Sin is very serious and should be taken seriously but we can also rest assured that God loves us by what Christ did for us.

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 08:22:21

Ohhhhh, I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasin' Jesus !
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 18:51:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'O')hhhhh, I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasin' Jesus !


"Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth..." (Phillipians 2:10)

Thank you Lord!

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 18:58:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I')n order to understand God's Justice, you have to understand the problem with this world. We are seperated and sinful, and under God's Wrath. God is Holy and Just therefore He must punish sin, but He is also very patient and loving in that He's made a way back to Him through the sacrafice of Jesus Christ.


His 'patience' might be called pure idleness or impotence.

The gods described in the old testement are very different to the god described in the new.

Christians have a problem in that because they are monotheists their god has to be the same as the ones in the old testement.
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby lateralus » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 21:08:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')You're forgetting that Christ is alive.


Metaphorically you mean...or literally?


Literally, of course.

ED


I'm really leery about this one, but I guess I asked. How is Jesus alive today...literally? I mean in the flesh alive like you and I.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 21:48:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I')n order to understand God's Justice, you have to understand the problem with this world. We are seperated and sinful, and under God's Wrath. God is Holy and Just therefore He must punish sin, but He is also very patient and loving in that He's made a way back to Him through the sacrafice of Jesus Christ.


His 'patience' might be called pure idleness or impotence.

The gods described in the old testement are very different to the god described in the new.

Christians have a problem in that because they are monotheists their god has to be the same as the ones in the old testement.


That's actually a falacy.

God is one, but He is triune meaning three equal persons. God also does not change, but what He requires of His people, does.

This world consists of three distinct period of time.

1. Adam to Moses.
2. Moses to Christ
3. Christ to Second Coming.

If you understand the difference between those three periods of time, you'll understand your misunderstanding that God changes.

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby lateralus » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 22:28:39

I had to ask. Ok. So Jesus has a super body, and can walk through walls etc.

Here's my question. Why are you waiting for the second coming?

Sounds to me as though Jesus never left, he's just been cruising around walking through walls in his new jacked up body. If there's a second coming then he must of "died"...again. I don't get it, the more I learn, the more it sounds like Homers, Iliad. Fantasy. Dangerous fantasy at best. No disrespect intended.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby erl » Sat 05 Aug 2006, 19:24:11

I've been away for a bit.

Just got through reading this whole thread.

Good for you, EJ. Good for you.

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby erl » Sat 05 Aug 2006, 22:37:25

I just finished the first draft of a new play.

I have an interview Tuesday with a Production company. They are looking for a writer and like my stuff.

I let you know how it turns out.

I'm very happy to see you believing again.

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