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Sick of it all...

Unread postby LadyRuby » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 23:57:15

I'm just getting tired of it all, burnt out on oil. Sick of waiting for something to happen. And that goes for the dollar too. I could be waiting like this for ten years. Anyone else feel like that?
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Jack » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:00:52

Well...it does seem that events unfold slowly. But I think matters will become more exciting soon enough. Perhaps too exciting.

It does get tedious to see the never-ending posts about ethanol.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Chicken_Little » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:07:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'I')'m just getting tired of it all, burnt out on oil. Sick of waiting for something to happen. And that goes for the dollar too. I could be waiting like this for ten years. Anyone else feel like that?



Things are happening. Energy costs are spiralling upward, interest rates are rising, and the current debt-based economy is slowly but surely beginning to unravel.

Not to mention 3 separate wars in the Middle-East, catastrophic climate change, mass extinctions, the dying oceans...

You obviously won't be happy until you receive a personally signed memo from the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:13:17

Dear Lady Ruby,

Sorry to keep you waiting. We've been terribly busy preparing for our visit. See you soon.

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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby dissimulo » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:18:24

Let me get this straight... You're upset because life has not yet taken a big turn for the worse?

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The slower things progress, the better, as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby elocs » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:27:06

As Tom Petty sang, "The waiting is the hardest part". There are many people in life who prepare for things which never come to pass, but the preparation is needed. There is much about PO preparation that is good and helpful in and of itself. I have food stored at the time for a few months and there have been times lately when I have been unemployed or underemployed when I have lived off from what I have stored. You can only do what you can do and you will always see more that you could have done since hindsight is 20/20. Do what you can, bit by bit, because although a meteor could destroy the Earth overnight, PO will not.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby catbox » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:31:36

Why wait around? There should be things in one's life that you can continue to enjoy? I got pretty caught up in waiting for TSTHTF this Spring....I almost went bonkers. Rejoice in what you have going...while easing into a more sustainable life. We here, I think, are a step a head of the rest of the population in the reality that things are going to change.

OK....I'm sick of.....
You know, I just got through watching some CNN thing on.. IS This The End? It was a bunch of Christians saying this is it....spreading it through the churches and pretty much saying here we are......here comes Jesus!
I'm sick of these people...that's what I'm sick of......I hope Jesus shows up...or maybe not..., someone would put a bullet in him before he could scold the masses for a job NOT well done. What a bunch of shit!

OK.....yes, I believe we were seeded her by aliens. Hey, that's no more nutty than what's in the Bible or Koran.... right?

One other thing....I rejoice in music...it helps a lot! As Bob marley said,"When the music hits, you feel no pain!"

Obviously, I've been rejoicing in the blood of Christ this evening....cheers! from Eugene, Oregon! :twisted:


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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:37:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'L')et me get this straight... You're upset because life has not yet taken a big turn for the worse?


As with many things in life, timing is everything. If you have made all your preperations, and are ready for your predicted event to happen now, and it doesn't happen for 43 years; you're pretty messed up.

Thats why I try to think of it more along the lines of, ok, PeakOil makes this action necessary for survival; but if PeakOil doesn't really happen for another 450 years, will I be happy and content with having spent this effort doing this action anyway. If I can say yes to the question, then its a go. If not, then I go find something else to do that does get a yes answer. Thus I get the following:

Do I buy an AR15... No.
Do I plant a bunch of peach trees this winter... Yes.
Do I go buy a mule.... No.
Do I practice growing heirloom corn, cucumbers, and other crops... Yes.
Do I sell off my cars... No.
Do I keep in shape and ride my bike for utility purposes... Yes.

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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Chicken_Little » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:40:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', '
')One other thing....I rejoice in music...it helps a lot! As Bob marley said,"When the music hits, you feel no pain!"


I'm sure the guy in Reservoir Dogs who got his ear cut off while listening to 'Sounds of the Seventies' would disagree with that.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:45:31

Even proponetns of an early peak forecast it occurring around 2010 or so. This is a slow grinding process that plays out over the course of a decade or perhaps even longer.

However, war and politics are responses to slowly increasing energy scarcity and it is in those arenas where we will see dramatic and sudden events taking place.

And we HAVE been witnessing some of the consequences of the realization of peak in the 911 attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and now possibly Iran. I don't know what you're complaining about.

It's always seemed strange to me that Peak Oilers will predict such utterly dire ramifications for the future of humanity yet they will remain closed-minded about 911 as a dramatic false-flag op or see the wars in the ME as anything but how the government describes them.

Let me tell you, if the oil were in Zimbabwe, that's where the action would be on promoting democracy in the region, baby. Robert Mugabe would be the evil tyrant threatening the world with his doomed vision. And the US would be riding to the rescue of all those hapless white farmers murdered and displaced by his tyrannical regime.

Oil = Wealth. and the Western powers are seeing their portion of the Earth's endowment of oil diminishing. Most of the rest is held in the ME, unfortunately, where historical memories of the Crusades is brought to bear, where the differences in religion and culture are great and distinct, and where the the history of the 20th century saw further great western oil-related military incursion and destabilization into the region.

All of that nightmare is relevant to the present. And it is arising, not surprisingly, as peaking is becoming certain in North and Central America, The North Sea and elsewhere.

There are several wars on right now over oil. What else do you want?
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby catbox » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 00:48:28

That's in the movies....but hey, sound torture is used...mostly metal.....
I'll stick with Bob. His kids don't seem to have an apocolyptic view of the world right now....Kind of comforting. :)

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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby greenworm » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 01:16:06

sick of it all

Now that's sick of it all!!!!!!

Ironically titled 'death to tyrants'.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby jdumars » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 01:27:27

I'm with you Ruby... I vascillate more than the tides about all of it too. Move to France, don't move to France.... move to Belize, stay here... keep the land, sell the land, buy more ammo, sell guns, gah!! After a while you just tune out. Then something happens like war in the Middle East, and then you tune in again. And then the war stops... and then you tune out. I'm almost ready to toss the TV in the ocean, and just live in the woods wearing goat pants.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 03:02:28

I still think we got two more years before TSHTF.

Wish we had more time though.

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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby catbox » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 03:42:46

Goat Pants! I'm there!
I am listening to a great old punk rock compilation called "Hell Comes to Your House"
right now.......it's so fitting...the lyrics going on are
"reject yourself!"
Anyway, I always thought I would end up in NZ....I got married and had a youngin' and the NZ thing became a further dream due to family ties. And, not that NZ is the safe zone by any means, but I always thought I might end up there...before I had to answer to in-laws and siblings.
Run into the woods sporting goat pants!

Ahhhhh....the big picture!

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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 03:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '.')..There are several wars on right now over oil. What else do you want?

Gunfights at her local gas stations, I guess.

Geez, LR, this whole scenario is playing out, like we've been saying, as if somebody is holding down the fast-forward button, and you're still getting antsy?

Do you have ADHD or something?
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 04:00:10

James Kunstler on oil resource wars. Short clip on YouTube.

Also,

The Three Energy Wars


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('source', 'W')alid Khadduri, Al-Hayat
"We are practically in an energy war. The price of a barrel of petrol has multiplied threefold" (in the last two years), the French Finance Minister Thierry Breton told Europe 1 radio station on July 25.

Contrary to the contention of the French minister, the world in fact is locked in three energy wars, not one: a price war, an investment and deals war, and a geopolitical war.

The first war, which Breton talked about, is economic due to the factors of supply and demand. Prices soared due to a 'sudden' demand for oil, resulting from the strong economic growth in India, China and Brazil at a time when sustainable growth in the US continues without stopping or slowing down. Meanwhile, the number of the widespread and developed refineries that can process heavy high-sulfur oil has declined. The problem with this war lies in the demand rather than any shortage of supplies or a policy for deliberate cut down of production. The oil-exporting countries have been producing at almost full capacity for the past three years in order to fix prices. It is not a war but an interaction with the market mechanisms that prevail in the world these days.

The second war is on oil and gas investment deals. In Latin America, agreements are reconsidered and reneged under the pretext that the previous contracts were unfair to the oil producers. In Russia, there is an overt conflict with the European countries that try to have a share in Russia's oil industry. However, Moscow argues that its companies should be given the same rights and concessions demanded by Western companies, which tried to treat this issue in the G-8 Summit in St. Petersburg, but to no avail....

The third war is armed conflicts within the oil-producing countries, not only in the Middle East but also in Nigeria. These wars have already started since the September 11, 2001 attacks, followed by the occupation of Iraq and, now, the Israeli aggression on Lebanon. Of course, the war in Palestine has been going on for decades, but its impact on oil was very limited in recent years. However, the eruption of simultaneous wars on Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon, with the possible spread of hostilities to include Iran due to its nuclear file, or to Syria, increases fears in the markets, hikes prices, and gives an opportunity for speculators to make tremendous profits....

Dr Walid Khadduri is an energy expert and director of al-Hayat business desk


I think that alot of people on these forums suffer from having adolescent-like fantasies about what the future holds from the standpoint of energy scarcity. These fantasies are something like the drama contained in "Road Warrior" of some other juvenile concept. It sounds like people are getting the impatient that we aren't living the "Road Warrior" fantasy yet.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby LadyRuby » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 10:04:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicken_Little', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'I')'m just getting tired of it all, burnt out on oil. Sick of waiting for something to happen. And that goes for the dollar too. I could be waiting like this for ten years. Anyone else feel like that?



Things are happening. Energy costs are spiralling upward, interest rates are rising, and the current debt-based economy is slowly but surely beginning to unravel.

Not to mention 3 separate wars in the Middle-East, catastrophic climate change, mass extinctions, the dying oceans...

You obviously won't be happy until you receive a personally signed memo from the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.


Hee hee... true true!!! :lol:
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 12:39:34

You want to plan for both senario's. Work double jobs now and save & scrimp buying gold & silver. If TSHTF next year you'll be well prepared as I believe gold & silver will be your ticket to use to trade and barter during this time and will keep you well fed. Afew years after land will probably be free and you could grow whatever you want anywhere and build your own house. If TS Doesn't HTF for 10, 20 years or even never, you'll still be in a good posistion with your gold and silver savings, ie you won't be someone mumbling around the streets in future like a vietnam vet who has lost the plot from years and years of waiting and not doing anything productive with their life or ending up with no money in a society where money is needed.

This is why I like working and saving gold & silver, it is safe no matter what happens and work keeps you busy.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby clueless » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 13:25:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'W')hy wait around? There should be things in one's life that you can continue to enjoy? I got pretty caught up in waiting for TSTHTF this Spring....I almost went bonkers. Rejoice in what you have going...while easing into a more sustainable life. We here, I think, are a step a head of the rest of the population in the reality that things are going to change.

OK....I'm sick of.....
You know, I just got through watching some CNN thing on.. IS This The End? It was a bunch of Christians saying this is it....spreading it through the churches and pretty much saying here we are......here comes Jesus!
I'm sick of these people...that's what I'm sick of......I hope Jesus shows up...or maybe not..., someone would put a bullet in him before he could scold the masses for a job NOT well done. What a bunch of shit!

OK.....yes, I believe we were seeded her by aliens. Hey, that's no more nutty than what's in the Bible or Koran.... right?

One other thing....I rejoice in music...it helps a lot! As Bob marley said,"When the music hits, you feel no pain!"

Obviously, I've been rejoicing in the blood of Christ this evening....cheers! from Eugene, Oregon! :twisted:


catbox


Wow - We can all take your advice to the bank...Bob Marley, a burned out, self indulgent, drug addicted, musician over Jesus Christ ?

How profound !!

Here are a few writings that validate your claim (just in case you thought your wisdom was original)...

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.


1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 1:25-26 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

I rejoice every time I hear people like you !!!

2Pe 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

WOW Cattbox, you are a Prophet.

Enjoy your "sustainable" lifestyle in this world - For you this is the best it will ever be !!!
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