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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby FairMaiden » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:36:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Women are no longer expected to take a man's name when married, and many don't.


Its easy Threadbear to make statements and not back them up.

Women increasingly pick husbands surnames over their own

I don't know a single man who wouldn't be offended if the women didn't take his name - and I know, I've been proposed to 5x! The only one I said yes to...now tells me that he wants to have the same last name...

Anyway, my POINT which you so convienently missed - was that "average joe sixpack" isn't on this site and the "norm" in male attitudes are not represented here.

If men SUPPOSEDLY don't like women in high heels - why are their fantasy women always wearing them? Why do men buy magazines and watch pornography of women who have surgical implants and the like?

You want to know why women do that to themselves? POSITIVE feedback. I've walked down the street in high heels and make up (on my way to somewhere special) and all of the sudden the guy behind the counter is telling me "its on him" and men open doors for you, etc. Practical experience tells me you guys are way off base here. And thats fine - you are a different class of men!
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby TWilliam » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 22:51:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'I') don't know a single man who wouldn't be offended if the women didn't take his name...

Ahem. You now know (or at least know of) one. My spouse retains her ex's last name (she likes that it's short) and it doesn't bother me in the least. Nor did my ex's desire to retain her maiden name...
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 10:37:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '
')I'm begining to think that the present (though I'll be the first to admit dim and probably in need of correction) ideas of asthma and rheumatoid arthritis and so forth coming for our immune system NOT having enough dirt in our lives. That is, our immune system reacts (or overreacts) to things it should find harmless because we live in such a clinically clean environment.

The same with human ...psychology...? Um, whatever word one uses, it looks like we need a small amount of trouble in our lives - and it pains me to write these words, I'd rather escape from it, at any cost! - in order for our "immune system" of our minds not to go nuts and start attacking us, instead of the bad stuff.


Agreed.

It's a common comment in some parts of Spain: "He/she needs some bad stuff happen in his/her life". It sort of acknowledges the fact that if you haven't had experience of harsh times, you don't have the right perspective on life, and you're likely to overreact to very small things.


Yes, those "little bits of trouble" do sneak up on us now and then; personally, I worry if it seems to me like things have been going too well for too long. Then, my van gets stolen and I hurt myself at the gym and think, "Okay, I'm good for a while!"

When the "bad stuff" comes along it challenges us. We have to deal with it - and if the outcome is good, the satisfaction (and sometimes euphoria) from getting over a rough spot is its own reward. Besides, life could be pretty boring if everything went along at an even keel all the time.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby ubercynicmeister » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 20:47:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'T')he same with human ...psychology...? Um, whatever word one uses, it looks like we need a small amount of trouble in our lives - and it pains me to write these words, I'd rather escape from it, at any cost! - in order for our "immune system" of our minds not to go nuts and start attacking us, instead of the bad stuff.


We all need some roughage in our diet.


I'm gittin' PLENTY then! Sorry to all: my brains are just not working, this flu thingy is knocking me fer six.

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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 22:27:01

I agree with the astute observers here who point out that women largely dress in order to project themselves to other women. Women are far more competitive among themselves than society has generally acknowledged, and are, by and large, highly critical of other women's appearance. This competition may be inspired by the impulse to attract (or retain) a mate, and so indirectly, perhaps women are dressing to say "I'm more worthy of this man's attention than you are".
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 03:14:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', 'I') agree with the astute observers here who point out that women largely dress in order to project themselves to other women. Women are far more competitive among themselves than society has generally acknowledged, and are, by and large, highly critical of other women's appearance. This competition may be inspired by the impulse to attract (or retain) a mate, and so indirectly, perhaps women are dressing to say "I'm more worthy of this man's attention than you are".


I think it's fair to say that women often "size each other up" by comparing dress, figures, hair, etc. I agree that sometimes the motivation for doing this is competition for male attention and that sometimes it is strictly between women, such as in an office with only female employees. I'd venture to say that this kind of comparing happens more with younger women than older women, although I'm sure there are exceptions.

Earlier in this thread another poster (or two) commented that men don't notice when a woman has a new hair style or a new outfit, etc. I think that while this is true a lot of the time, men certainly notice the "entire package"; that is, they may not be aware of each component of a woman's appearance that makes her look good, but they know what they like when they see it. Women, on the other hand, are acutely aware of each of the components.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 05:59:08

Hey, Ubercynicmeister, how are you doing with your recent bout of flu?

I just wanted to acknowledge your post and jot down a few comments.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '
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Not "accept". We "accept" corruption, and far too much. We accept the excuses of pyschopaths (who drown their own children) far too much and far too often. Indeed, if someone goes temporarily and unpredictably insane, and becomes a demonstrable threat to the life and wellbeing of everyone around them, then they should be tossed in the slammer for life. Not sent to counselling for three years and then released back into the community.

We "accept" the bad stuff, and protest that those who want the good - the correct, the ethical - to happen are "old fashioned".

No, acceptance is part of the problem.


Maybe "accept" wasn't the best word I could have used. I was speaking more about just letting some of the small stuff go, "roll off our backs", if only because we humans are sure to annoy each other at times and I don't think confronting each instance is the best thing. Wouldn't it be better, for the sake of goodwill, to just let some of these annoyances go?

I would not want to just accept the bad stuff, such as the example you gave above of a psychopath responsible for a horrendous crime. A true psychopath cannot be rehabilitated and should not be released back into society. There's a difference, though, between a true psychopath and someone who has a mental illness such as psychosis or schizophrenia, where it may not be possible for the person to differentiate between what's real and what is not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he same with human ...psychology...? Um, whatever word one uses, it looks like we need a small amount of trouble in our lives - and it pains me to write these words, I'd rather escape from it, at any cost! - in order for our "immune system" of our minds not to go nuts and start attacking us, instead of the bad stuff.

But like I say: I'd rather avoid all trouble, if I can.


I agree with you here - a little bit of trouble now and then seems to serve the purpose of reminding us what hardship looks like, so that we don't flip out the way we would if we hadn't seen it for a long time. In my experience, though, it has been the bigger troubles that bring me the most perspective.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y Dad, when he was still alive, tried to get my siblings and Mum to listen to me (PURE boasting here)...of course, coming as it did from my Dad, it was pure poison to my sibling's ears, and they've made a point of not listening to me, at all, since. I get great giggles outta them, btw, hee hee, they get themselves into all sorts of knots..and then they have to ask me to sort it out....BOY do I enjoy gloating! (I shouldn't I know...but I'm human).


Just curious, Uber - was that because you were the first born child or the youngest in the family?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') cannot go without noting: isn't it amazing the level of agreement now here between the participants here?

Because of COURTESY, we have taken a thread - admittedly a vital issue - that was started by those who wished to do down men, and have turned it into something really quite enjoyable. I therefore humbly thank all of those who have particiapted in the real debate and have avoided the "flame" stuff.


What's the point in flaming one gender or the other? Personally, half of the people I love are males. I grew up the only girl with three brothers, and I'm close to all of them. I don't see males as less trustworthy or more evil than females. No, when morality takes a tumble, it does so across the board.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne last thing before I go: sex - or it's lack - is not necessarily the primary determinant of a relationship. But because of the worship, not of sex per se but of sexual success , we have seen it become something it should never have been allowed to become.

Definitely. It irks me to no end that almost every women's magazine proclaims that increasing one's sexual prowess is the only way to "hold onto a relationship". Article upon article, month after month. Not only that, but these articles have been saying exactly the same things for at least 20 years! It's not that I have anything against couples improving that aspect of their relationship - I'm all for it. But the assertion is so narrow-minded - that mind-blowing sex is the only glue that holds two people together. Also, it seems that many of the most popular men's magazines are sold by article titles that tell how to find a woman who would take the aforementioned articles in the women's magazines to heart. Talk about disproportion.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ECK, I'll confess: I'd love to be sexed to death by a supermodel and her very open minded twin sister; yup, I'm very male, but, well, i also realise: it ain't gunna happen. (At least I'd go with a huge grin on my face!).

Well, it would help if you played a musical instrument. And if you were aging and had deep pockets. Also, if your initials were K.R., M.J. or R.S. (the girls really go for them).

Talk to you later. I hope I did the "quote" things correctly, or this post is going to be really annoying to read!



But that's too large a topic for my flu-besieged brain right now and I have to sign off because the rooms' starting to revolve and my spelling is becoming worse than usual.

I'll be back...erm...tomorrow or the next day.[/quote]
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