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When will a post-Peak Oil technological society re-emerge?

Earlier than 2050: 14; No votes

2050-2100: 14; No votes

2100-2250: 21; No votes

2250-2500: 1; No votes

2500-3000: 0; 0%

3000-5000: 3; No votes

Later than 5000: 3; No votes

: Total votes : 56

by Freud » Sat 13 Nov 2004, 10:05:28

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It was an example, SPG....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Freud', '[')smilie=naka.gif] I'm going to be an arsehole..:

Freud, you are unleashing an awefull lot of rage here. What's up man? Here....have a seat on the couch. Tell the doctor about your childhood.

Not rage... just no delusions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Freud', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') I'm really kind of confused, I've got at least 8 known bloods running through my veins... and probably triple that in unaccounted rapes, abductions, migrations, and one night stands.

Is that the problem? Feelings of ethnic inferiority? My friend...you too are an indigenous person. You may have forgotten your ancesters, but they haven't forgotten you. They knew how to live on the earth without destroying it, and they would like to share that knowledge with you. [smilie=icon_flower.gif]

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I couldn't feel anymore ethnically superior or inferior than you can since I don't believe in ethnic profiling to begin with.

We all forget our ancestors because we never really knew them. We know us trying to know our ancestors and attempting to make sense of why we exist... same as them.

I'm all for living and not destroying... but as humans, our very existance destroys or changes our environment in a manner which isn't symbiotic.

You can't tell me that with time, in a non industrialised society the overfarming, over plucking, reproduction rates, sickness, and human behaviour would be any different than an industrialised society. It wasn't necessarily different in pre-indust times if you look at antiquated empires of the americas....

It's good that you want to live in manner which doesn't effect your environment, and doesn't harm anything.

But you'll have to come up with a new novel approach for the day and not look for "ancient wisdom" to guide you.... Though you can draw selective helpful lessons from some examples, I'll grant you that.

Your idealisation is a new modern phenomenon. A guilt complex you work both ways but rely on human ignorance and race profiling to thrust it upon anyone in the present that doesn't share your blood or beliefs. Hardly fair or realistic.

My ancestors are dead... as are yours... they don't exist anymore, and existed in a manner we have no clear understanding of barring modern day romance theory. (a Hollywood correction for past times).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell good, we have another ideological argument to distract us from the current situation.

Whew, I thought we might have to face the future instead of reliving the past.

Couldn't agree with you more, Pops....... The future should be more promising than the past... It's something we can all realize instead of pointing fingers and posturing like genetic trick or treaters.

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by smallpoxgirl » Sat 13 Nov 2004, 14:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Freud', ' ')You can't tell me that with time, in a non industrialised society the overfarming, over plucking, reproduction rates, sickness, and human behaviour would be any different than an industrialised society.

Sure I can. Ever hear of Acoma Pueblo? Some say it was founded before 500 BC. Some say 1150 AD. The Pueblo people say it was always there since before time. Regardless, it is the oldest continuously inhabited city in North America. No polution. No soil degradation. No overpopulation. If you can live in one place for thousands of years without screwing it up, that is my definition of sustainable.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') It wasn't necessarily different in pre-indust times if you look at antiquated empires of the americas.....

The key word is empires. Yes some non-industrial peoples formed empires. The Incas, the Aztecs, and the Maya come to mind most prominently. Those empires were screwed up and destructive just like the European empires. They screwed up the land. They oppressed people. If I some how came across as endorsing non-industrial empire...that was not my intention. Empire..like industrialism...is a badly destructive misstep in human history. The difference, as I see it, is that amongst the indigenous people, the development of Empire is the anomaly. It is contrary to indigenous values. In the Americas, I can only think of three times that it occured. The Europeans, having turned their back on their indigenous roots, and committed to murdering via the inquisition anyone who clung to those root, took to the Empire like ducks to water. First they colonized themselves into nation states, then they struck out to colonize the world.

Europe's atrocities in the Americas had been going on for 350 years before industrialism came into full swing. It was realistically imperialism not industrialism that drove most of those atrocities. They weren't slaying Indians in the name of the weaving machine. They were slaying them in the name of God and the king. It was 1812 before England started slaying people in the name of the weaving machine.

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