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The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 18:04:44

Back in High School last year, I used to go to this one forum: College Confidential. It has advice for HS students applying for college, majors, schools, supplies, books, etc.

The students that show up at this discussion board tend to be overwhelmingly intelligent, at least with books that is. And when I say intelligent, I mean it. The average SAT is about 1000 (when I took it). The average here was in the 1400's. The acceptance rate at Ivies is in the single digits, but more than half of these students that apply, get in.

The saddest part is that a part of the board has a place where you can talk about anything, the cafe. Instead of politics, high energy prices, war, economic turmoil acoming, genocide and the like, the threads today have been:
True or False: attractivness=success
Fantasy Football League
Typing dvorak
Clerks 2
Girl Problem (LOL)
Al Gore Rocks
Cell phones
Fasting way to buy a castle
Pirates of the Carribean

Can this get any worse? The people who will be most affected and specifically, the people that actually have a chance to make the world a better place are giggling away, wondering if Ralph Lauren is better than Abercrombie and Fitch. We is fucked.

Edit: I should also mention that I've brought up Peak Oil, oil in general, energy, etc, but they just shrug it off and say don't worry, technology will fix it.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 18:37:16

Actually I think the technology-will-fix-it religion is a good one. Some of these smarty pants kids will go into researching alternatives. No, I don't think any of the present alternatives has any promise, but there are some things like carbon nanotube capacitors that might just be the answer.

As far as the rest of them, ignorance is bliss.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 18:53:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually I think the technology-will-fix-it religion is a good one.


No it's not, it's an awful one. It basically says "Hey, don't worry. Technology will take care of it. Soon, we'll have technology making technology so we won't ever have to do anything. :)".

You are right that technology stands a chance at making the slide a little easier, postpeak but it will not solve the problem which is what so many think.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Novus » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 19:19:23

Most new technology research is going into military aplications so we humans kill each other faster. Yeah, I agree technology will save us but not in the good sci-fi futurist way most technologists are thinking about. It doesn't take a genius to see what's planned for us. Do I even have to say it.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 19:25:41

Not my kids!
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby presidentsherrill » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 19:29:07

What is wrong?


MTV
Reality TV
Spoiled
Cell Phones
Video Games
They are the BUSH Generation
24x7 Access to everything



Having nice grades and scoring well on standarized tests, does not make one intelligent. It is actually my theory that the higher a person scores on a standarized test, the easier it is to make that person into a puppet.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby AIM9X » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 19:30:44

{Pointless flame deleted - TheTurtle}
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 20:11:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')aving nice grades and scoring well on standarized tests, does not make one intelligent.


Not just tests. But winning awards. Having books published. Climbing K2, Kilomanjaro, etc. Just a whole bunch of shit that's so amazing for kids. Last year, the group that won Siemens award got it for advanced cancer research and publications. Just tests?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It is actually my theory that the higher a person scores on a standarized test, the easier it is to make that person into a puppet.


All the tests are is to see how well you can be manipulated: all of the hours it takes to prepare and take, money, type of questions they ask, etc. Those that do best really are those that are just able to get into rthym-like me.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby presidentsherrill » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 20:39:57

You just freaking lost me. I am not sure if you realize this, but your comments did not address my statement about standardized tests. Crack?
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 22:55:46

Abercrombie & Fitch has really lost it's class past the year 2000... even poor/ugly people can now afford to wear it, so it's not kosher anymore. Ralph Lauren is usually targeted towards an older, richer demographic, but be sure anyone who wears their colognes and perfumes is reasonably scene.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 23:00:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'A')bercrombie & Fitch has really lost it's class past the year 2000... even poor/ugly people can now afford to wear it, so it's not kosher anymore. Ralph Lauren is usually targeted towards an older, richer demographic, but be sure anyone who wears their colognes and perfumes is reasonably scene.


What about just plain "Abercrombie", I believe there is a difference.

Also, I think that AE has generally better clothes and nicer employees. Or such is my experience.

I was a Gap Kid, personally. Half of the stuff in my closet was from the GAP. That stuff was awesome! Sucks that they don't make the kid styles in adults sizes. Haha.

But there's nothing that I hate more than those Diesel people. Selfish rich jerks with $100 jeans. I want nothing to do with them.

Do they have one of those Little Debs around your neighborhood? Everything is either pink or black. It's hilarious. I hope no girls actually shop there. Haha.

See, I can be a teen fashion idiot too.

BTW, I have an account on CC too. Tyler_JC. Check the UPenn forum. :evil:
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby 128shot » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 23:03:46

or maybe they're not completely obsessed with peak oil...


or maybe they're willing to acknowledge that this forum may not be the best place to discuss such matters...
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 23:17:18

To be fair to CC, the point of that site is to provide information to prospective college students so that they can make a slightly more informed choice of which college to attend.

If everyone on that site writes threads that complain about the food at X University. You might be inclined to ask the tour guide about the food.

If people complain about a particular dorm house, you might be inclined to select a different dorm.

You wouldn't know these things unless you asked a bunch of people who currently attend that college, and what better way to ask those people than on College Confidential?

If people want to talk about Peak Oil, they come to the Peak Oil forums.

If people want to talk about college stuff let them stay in the college forums.

But what about the random off topic junk that people post on that college forum? Well talk about the pot calling the kettle black! HA.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Kylon » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 00:58:59

Don't worry Mekrob.

The less people prepared, the better it is for those who have knowledge of how to be prepared.

For you see, when all their marketing degrees, law degrees, and other such unproductive education(in comparison to things like engineering, medicine, and scientific research) are worthless, and they are scrounging for food, they will look to somebody, ANYBODY who can promise them a better life.

Thus, it's a wonderful opportunity for those of us who are prepared/preparing.

Ontop of that, girls will stop going after guys they like emotionally, and start going out with guys that can feed/cool/shelter/provide for them. That means that they will be more attracted to survival skills in the future, rather than the current superficial crap, like "Woah, that guy is fast, and he has a cute butt!".

Women not wanting to starve to death + Peak Oil + You being prepared and others not = You getting laid. :-D
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Chaparral » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 02:23:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'A')bercrombie & Fitch has really lost it's class past the year 2000... even poor/ugly people can now afford to wear it, so it's not kosher anymore. Ralph Lauren is usually targeted towards an older, richer demographic, but be sure anyone who wears their colognes and perfumes is reasonably scene.


I've gravitated to Club Monaco and Roberto Cavelli myself. Gotta work on keeping those abs flat to wear that stuff tho.


Back on topic, when I was in grad school, most of the talk was petty politics between socially challenged grad students. Xena, warrior princess was the de rigeur topic. Their knowledge of politics and ideology and economic systems was limited to the Dumbocrat, Repugnicant dichotomy. Most of my colleagues were incredibly petty and insecure regardless of their positions on the GRE or SATs and some were quite high while others were a disgrace to our grad program. A few were really into the animal rights stuff and organized students(or tried) around that issue. Others tried to organize envrionmental clubs but mostly as a cover to try and get laid by the hotter animal rights chicks.

I doubt anything has changed. There will always be the clicks and clans delineated by class, money, academic position and there will always be us iconoclast loners who follow no one and lead no one. It seems that this forum is magnet for our type. We are rare even among the rarefied and we take many different interests.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 08:15:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am not sure if you realize this, but your comments did not address my statement about standardized tests.


How so? You said that doing well on tests does not make you smart. But I do not call these kids smart because of some test but because of outside achievements and a pretty good understanding of the world around them (at least that which is talked about in the media). So are you saying doing advanced research on cancer and AIDS with making discoveries does not qualify an 18 year old as 'intelligent'? What were you doing when you were 18 that makes you so haughty?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')r maybe they're willing to acknowledge that this forum may not be the best place to discuss such matters...


Not at all true. They've found that forum to be the perfect place to talk to others about everything including Israel-Palestine, China, Iran, Iraq, terrorism, etc. They are definately inclined towards intellectual topics but once energy is brought up, wow, technology will save us all, no discussion needed.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby Doly » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 08:21:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I') should also mention that I've brought up Peak Oil, oil in general, energy, etc, but they just shrug it off and say don't worry, technology will fix it.


It's the normal reaction of most people. It takes seeing it several times to start thinking: "Hey, there might be something to it."

Keep bringing it up. Explain why it isn't so easy for the current technology to fix it. If they are so clever, they will get it pretty soon.
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 09:21:36

Yes, my generation is unprepared.

The reason why is because nobody took the time to think, "hey, waitasec, these guys might need some info". We've been addicted to the consumer culture because it makes our family issues seem to go away.

We were never taught how to cook, never asked to do chores (much), and we haven't been disciplined (because, uh, it's politically incorrect).

Is it any wonder we have problems with the youth of today?

The problem is, people haven't thought about the impact of their actions (and believe me, everyone has an impact somehow).

Doly: you seem to forget that most minds are so wrapped up in the modern world. Remember, we've grown up with this, we've never seen anything truly bad in our time.

We haven't been through a real world crisis, so we have zero sense of urgency. I'm an exception because I think different to most. I'm learning to read between the lines in the newspaper (useful skill in times of war).

I'm also grabbing newspapers when a significant event occurred, so I can tell my children "this is what happened, and this is why".

There was a letter in a free distribution newspaper (a rather behind-the-day version of the less trusted paper in Sydney) here. He said something to the effect of "we're sliding into debauchery like Rome did before she fell". I hope I still have it around somewhere. I don't think the writer realised just how close to reality he was...
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Re: The next generation is completly unprepared

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 14:29:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'A')bercrombie & Fitch has really lost it's class past the year 2000... even poor/ugly people can now afford to wear it, so it's not kosher anymore. Ralph Lauren is usually targeted towards an older, richer demographic, but be sure anyone who wears their colognes and perfumes is reasonably scene.


What about just plain "Abercrombie", I believe there is a difference.


I think the plain "Abercombie" stores are targeted for a younger demographic, the people there are less smug and the clothes are cheaper. Or it's the other way around.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, I think that AE has generally better clothes and nicer employees. Or such is my experience.

Really? Here, they do have nicer employees, but as for clothes, I think they are about the same... their jeans are nice. But my favorite fitting jeans are Hollister, they fit just right!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was a Gap Kid, personally. Half of the stuff in my closet was from the GAP. That stuff was awesome! Sucks that they don't make the kid styles in adults sizes. Haha.


Friends don't let friends wear gap. jk...I heard that somehwere lol. But I love GAP too, the employees are nice to everyone and you don't have to deal with snobby people in the store!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut there's nothing that I hate more than those Diesel people. Selfish rich jerks with $100 jeans. I want nothing to do with them.
I never knew they were that expensive 8O People don't wear them much here, I thought it was suposed to be European fasion

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o they have one of those Little Debs around your neighborhood? Everything is either pink or black. It's hilarious. I hope no girls actually shop there. Haha.

Hahahaha, they have a store in the local mall! The people who shop there are around 10 or so :)

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