[madmatt]

Please read the other thread about "Is this Discussion and Planning about PO really Practical?" before adding to this thread.

That is please - if you feel like it???

Hey - it may be a Sunday and noone gives a crap about anything on a Sunday.

[madmatt]

The world is running out of oil???

Ok - we have no objections here.

But how do we know when PO will come about???

Lets look at Hubberts Peak and other associated studies and try and see exactly when this Peak Oil phenomenon will come about.

Lets "TRY" and look at all the associated influences on that peak.

All the other types of energy and their influences, what different countries are doing and so how different countries will be prepared and how this will influence international trade. What government based alternatives are there to slow the peaking process etc etc.

Lets just not start yelling "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE". Lets just take a breath and look at the REAL facts.

Please anyone who wants to say "THE WORLD IS GOING TO RETURN TO THE STONE AGE!" please go away and get 6 degrees and write a thesis about all that stuff and I will personally correct your punctuation and grammer.

There is a lot of people who are really getting upset about all this PO stuff including me. I read a thread the other day where a young girl was so scared she was talking about moving into the ice-hills of Canada and starting her own commune.

I think it is about time we get the facts straight.

My hypothesis is this:

"We do not know anything about the issue!!! Those who understand that they know the least, know the most".

I have a friend who has a PHD in economics and is a lecturer at our city university. I said to him:

"Hey Geoff. What do you know about Peak Oil?"

He said "Bugger all!"

I explained the matter to him as best I could (he hadn't even heard of Peak Oil!) and then I said:

"Well. What do reckon should happen in the coming years as far as the economy when it comes to Peak Oil?"

He said "You've got to be kidding?"

I said "No. I just read a book by this expert who has exactly the same qualifications as you have and who lectures at a University of similar standing as you do in a similar field - Monetary policy, exchange rates and semi-open economies".

I said "How come he has written a book about the Peak Oil phenomenon and you haven't?"

He said "Cause he's a f*ckwit and I'm not!"

I wanted to go on further with the issue but he told me he wanted to go fishing and I was getting in his way.

So, as I am a more concerned Peak Oiler than my esteemed colleague I shall present the notion as follows:

What the hell do we know about the Peak Oil phenomenon???

Nothing???

Lets build here on that nothing to a possible something or just a more solid nothing.

Over to you???

[NeoPeasant]

What I know about peak oil is that the future will be somewhere between just like now, and very tough and meager times. Prepare yourself mentally, physically, and economically for tough and meager times and you will automatically be prepared for all better outcomes.
The energy fairy might yet pull another energy miracle or two out of her ass, but I'm not going to bet my family's lives on it.

[NTBKtrader]

Peak Oil means getting laid easier, if you have planned right.

[Pops]

I don’t get it Matt.

In your 12 posts all you have said is we don’t know anything, and hence can plan for nothing. I assume to come to that conclusion you have read all that is written on this board, at the library and the internet regarding the subject.

I wonder then what exactly you hope to accomplish here?

Maybe this thread will be the miraculous catalyst that inspires peak oil omniscience?

The rules for this forum say
If you have made it past the discovery, research and discussion phase and are looking for ways to cope with Peak Oil on a personal as well as global basis, hopefully this forum will help.

IOW, doing goes here, talking goes somewhere else.

[rwwff]

A finite resource being consumed can be expressed in terms of a curve representing its consumption whos integral from 0->infinity is finite. So, while you can not prove that the curve will look like a bell, you can prove that at some point in the future, current consumption (as limited by supply) will be less than it is today.

The trick then becomes guessing what the curve of overall production looks like, what its effects on the demand/price equilibrium are, and what that effect means for the economy as a whole.

At what point does price cause superfulous uses to be abandoned? What does this abandonment mean to the economy? What does the slope of the first sustained downslope in possible supply look like, and what does that imply for the adaptability of the economy.

And the big one looming over everything, if the slope of decline is sharp, when do politicians in the US overtly admit that we are going to let millions of people in other parts of the world starve to death so that we can have fuel for our economy.

[truecougarblue]

I know that during the last 5 quarters of crude production worldwide we have seen little or no increase, this despite 25-30% price increases over the same period.

I know that the boy scout motto is "be prepared", and I try to live by it in all areas of my life.

I know the first fact together with the second philosophy makes me inclined and motivated to act to prepare.

[traz]

I'm kinda like you, MadMatt. The more I read, the more in disbelief I become. It takes on the shape of a science-fiction or horror story, not something that may actually happen.

BUT, I was planning on teaching myself self-sufficiency skills anyway, for the sake of the environment and to get away from consumerism. It can't hurt to actually learn how to do a few things yourself from scratch instead of buy them from the supermarket. If things turn out well then you can pat yourself on the back with all those skills you've learned and how you're helping save the planet. (As you know, our future is threatened with more things than just Peak Oil. We all know the Greenhouse Effect is fact!)

[Ludi]

And you believe that petroleum being a finite resource is, what, NOT a fact?

[NEOPO]

Maddmatt - So you want the world to stop because you are confused?

You want us to reexamine everything and PROVE to you that PO is reality.

IMO - Read more - speak less.
I know I have read 10,000 pages if I have read 1..............

I set out to prove or disprove Peakoil ON MY OWN and FOR MYSELF and my oddysey led me here.

Disprove it please.

Go on now - disprove it for all of us right here right now.
I know you cannot but thats the opposite of how and what you are trying to say so I thinks its sorta appropriate.

Please provide quotes and links and expect to see many educated rebuttals.

Case is closed yet there you are sitting in the jury box...cmon!

[madmatt]

OK NEOPO.

I accept the challenge.

The first thing I think I need to do is to convince you of the true nature of the complexity of the Peak Oil phenomenon.

I believe the best way for me to go about this is to first analyse modern international trade principles and economics.

Lets leave the other effects of millions of years of evolution out of the picture. Lets just look at modern international trade principles and economics.

Now, I have a friend, who is very knowledgeable in this area, so he will be able to help me out, and I bet he has a lot of text-books on the different subjects, and I bet if I was really nice to him, he would help me out .

If I can prove to you that you would have to be GOD to understand the implications of PO on our economy, then I believe we may be able to take the first step towards a little understanding.

PLEASE DON'T ANYONE POST IN BETWEEN MY POSTS OR I WILL GET VEY CONFUSED ----- AND I BET SO WILL YOU !!!!!!!!

And by the way -

I should be getting paid for this shit ---- everyone else is!!!!!

[traz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')nd you believe that petroleum being a finite resource is, what, NOT a fact?

[TT]

Madmatt,

I don't understand what you are doing on this forum. It's obvious you are confused, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is confused. You're even confused about our lack of confusion.

You've repeated the same mantra of ignorance over and over in your 12 posts to date. You're not coming up with anything new - or even interesting. You suggest you should be paid for that. Well think again lad. You're not providing anything worth paying for.

Also you want us to prove Peak Oil to you. Well, it doesn't work that way. Personally I don't give a damn if you "get it" or "reject it". I have absolutely no interest in proving anything to you and you will never convince me that Peak Oil is beyond human understanding. I concede it may be beyond your understanding - but that's another matter.

I'm sorry if posting between your posts also confuses you - but it doesn't confuse me.

Bottom line - I don't give a stuff if you're confused and you're not in a position to judge if I'm confused.

I won't bother reading any more of your rants.

[Ludi]

I believe he is a timewasting troll. These threads don't even belong in this forum and should be moved, in my opinion. This forum isn't about debating what effect PO will have on the future, to my understanding.

[SoothSayer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TT', 'M')admatt,

I don't understand what you are doing on this forum. It's obvious you are confused, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is confused. You're even confused about our lack of confusion.

You've repeated the same mantra of ignorance over and over in your 12 posts to date. You're not coming up with anything new - or even interesting. You suggest you should be paid for that. Well think again lad. You're not providing anything worth paying for.

Also you want us to prove Peak Oil to you. Well, it doesn't work that way. Personally I don't give a damn if you "get it" or "reject it". I have absolutely no interest in proving anything to you and you will never convince me that Peak Oil is beyond human understanding. I concede it may be beyond your understanding - but that's another matter.

I'm sorry if posting between your posts also confuses you - but it doesn't confuse me.

Bottom line - I don't give a stuff if you're confused and you're not in a position to judge if I'm confused.

I won't bother reading any more of your rants.

[benzoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madmatt', '
')If I can prove to you that you would have to be GOD to understand the implications of PO on our economy, then I believe we may be able to take the first step towards a little understanding.

And by the way -

I should be getting paid for this shit ---- everyone else is!!!!!

[TT]

I get the argument now.

I don't know absolutely everything about conception, sperm development, ovum development, human relationships, embryo development, childbirth etc. etc.

So therefore I cannot reasonably predict that I might become pregnant if I participate in sex.

Things can only happen if we fully and completely understand every possible science that may (or may not) be involved.

Therefore Peak Oil cannot happen, cannot lead to bad things and I cannot get pregnant.

Phew. Problem solved. We've just got to dumb down the people.

[madmatt]

Ok boys.

My father always told me:

"If you find yourself in a fight with 10 other blokes. Pick the biggest one first. Drop him like a sack of shit and the others will turn around and run like women".

So that is what I shall do.

Is there anyone out there that is published in Peak Oil?????

Present yourselves!!!!!

{flame deleted by MQ}

[NEOPO]

Yeah and I demand a meeting with all the worlds heads of state to convince me that peakoil is indeed not a fact!!!

I suggest Matt Savinar yet I doubt he will waste much if any time on you so instead of begging the mountain to come to you perhaps you should goto the mountain.

debunk this

Only you can convince you.

I will not be back to hear you whine about my post so save your finger breath.
Good night and good luck.

[madmatt]

OK.


"Matt Saviner" it is.


Let’s agree to focus on "Matt Saviner" and his publishing’s and his website “lifeaftertheoilcrash”.


OK, DONE!!!!!


Let’s analyse his website and his book “The Oil Age Is Over” and then stem out from there to his referenced authors and see where we go to?????


Any takers?????