[antspice]

Peak Oil, Consumerism, Colonialism, 911 conpiracy's, armageddon, end times, Polar Shift, 2nd Flood (Noah), Earthquakes, Rain of fire, ignorance, zombies, Meat society's, Survival, Education, Survival, Job, Future, Life, Survival, Job, Debt, Home, Sanctuary, Help, Understanding, Indifference, Fear, Sadness, Fear, Sadness, Fear, Hopelessness, Hope.

Doom is impending, how do i get out? i dont wanna die ! Stuck in the netherlands at the age of 19, doing 1 more year on school before i'm hopefully done and capable of earning my own money for a Job (in hopefully any country where i could work).

At the end of the day, i find that i hid myself again and i dont want to deal with it, but it will deal with me. There are so many views and so many views and so many people that say so many things and i dont know what to believe any more. With all the possibly bad things coming, is there one safe spot? With all the people over the internet that i hardly know a thing about, how do i know who to listen to? Where do i get any good help? So many aspects, so many people, no understanding people outside the internet, zombie society if you will.
And now that i talk about myself, i realize that it is about me. I care about so many people, but how do i pop their bubbles, i love them so much but i am so far away and bad things may be around the corner.

Regards from a fellow despairing lemming, Sander Buruma

[Concerned]

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[Bas]

relax man...you can only do one thing at a time. PO is not the end of the world (though some people here might disagree with me, I know) It's not even going to be a big depression, maybe something between the depression and the early 80's economic crisis. Relax, be practical and stay in the here and now.

[NTBKtrader]

Just remember that the fault lays with you since you are a member of western society. That will help.

[Etalon]

I was going to half jokingly say "Just watch Bas' signature gif, and all your troubles will melt away"

Thing is, it actually seems to work

[elocs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Etalon', 'I') was going to half jokingly say "Just watch Bas' signature gif, and all your troubles will melt away"

Thing is, it actually seems to work

[Lighthouse]

I'm 43. When I was 19 the world was coming to an end by a nuclear war, earthquakes, AIDS (it's not fun when you tell a 19 year he can die a slow and painful death each time he has unprotected sex) and so on.

Seems nothing changed since then. I've a 19 year old son and he lives his life to the fullest. He is PO aware and don't give a rats ass.

I personally see PO as a massive "Reset Button". PO is an opportunity to set some wrong things right.

Don't worry, you should be pretty save in Holland.

[elocs]

Concerned wrote:

"Balance your world view with friends, happiness, pleasure both self and others. Be generous and kind help people less fortunate than you. Be thankful every day you live in a peaceful prosperous nation. Laugh and enjoy life with friends, enjoy film and music or other entertainment you prefer."

You know, it is beautiful to see a post like that here. We are constantly being buried by posts that scream the sky is falling, ITEOTWAWKI, run for the hills, get a gun and everybody for themselves. Life is here and now and it is for living. You can spend an undue amount of time preparing for rainy days and miss some glorius and beautiful sunny days along the way. Do the best you can, prepare the best you can, live and give. Thanks again for those refreshing words, Concerned.

[NEOPO]

knock knock...reality here.

They say we cannot predict the future and then attempt to predict the future in the same breath.

"PO is not the end of the world (though some people here might disagree with me, I know) It's not even going to be a big depression, maybe something between the depression and the early 80's economic crisis."

Yeah you HOPE.
Oil addiction and the rationalization thereof.

Well I am glad that you feel this way yet there is overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise.

Some experts go as far as to suggest a 20 year mitigation plan in order for a soft landing.
We are at peakoil.com.
The general consensus is that we are at or very near peak oil.
Alert!!! We have not mitigated!!! Alert!!!
Inflated reserve estimates.
High depletion rates due to advanced technology.
Possibly well beyond peakoil before we see a traditional production peak.
Geopolitical tensions.
Green revolution.
Global warming.
I can go on and on here....probably write a small book.
You bring hope and flowers to a gunfight.............


Perhaps Elocs is at the mental crossroads that he/she needs to be at and does not need baby talking bullshit to sooth him or her at this time....oops too late.....

Just maybe this is the kind of fire people need to be feeling inside instead of "knowing about peak oil and not giving a rats ass".

It is a given that when they can no longer afford their unsustainable lifestyles they will be giving a rats ass and maybe eating them as well!!!

Wow another person who does not want to "bother" with "things they cannot change" .....as if
peak apathy?

Would you still eat the steak, as good as it tastes, even if you knew it was your own bio slime in reality?

I highly recommend discussing economic depressions with people who have actually lived through them and studying the history of past depressions and the structure of past and current economic situations to get a firm grip on what many of us believe we are about to receive.

If anyone is going to mitigate this crisis as well as the several other we seem headed for currently I can honestly say that I whole heartedly believe...............it is going to be people like you and I.
Addicts are rarely saved yet when they are they save themselves.

[elocs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'k')nock knock...reality here.

They say we cannot predict the future and then attempt to predict the future in the same breath.

"PO is not the end of the world (though some people here might disagree with me, I know) It's not even going to be a big depression, maybe something between the depression and the early 80's economic crisis."

Yeah you HOPE.
Oil addiction and the rationalization thereof.

Well I am glad that you feel this way yet there is overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise.

Some experts go as far as to suggest a 20 year mitigation plan in order for a soft landing.
We are at peakoil.com.
The general consensus is that we are at or very near peak oil.
Alert!!! We have not mitigated!!! Alert!!!
Inflated reserve estimates.
High depletion rates due to advanced technology.
Possibly well beyond peakoil before we see a traditional production peak.
Geopolitical tensions.
Green revolution.
Global warming.
I can go on and on here....probably write a small book.
You bring hope and flowers to a gunfight.............


Perhaps Elocs is at the mental crossroads that he/she needs to be at and does not need baby talking bullshit to sooth him or her at this time....oops too late.....

Just maybe this is the kind of fire people need to be feeling inside instead of "knowing about peak oil and not giving a rats ass".

It is a given that when they can no longer afford their unsustainable lifestyles they will be giving a rats ass and maybe eating them as well!!!

Wow another person who does not want to "bother" with "things they cannot change" .....as if
peak apathy?

Would you still eat the steak, as good as it tastes, even if you knew it was your own bio slime in reality?

I highly recommend discussing economic depressions with people who have actually lived through them and studying the history of past depressions and the structure of past and current economic situations to get a firm grip on what many of us believe we are about to receive.

If anyone is going to mitigate this crisis as well as the several other we seem headed for currently I can honestly say that I whole heartedly believe...............it is going to be people like you and I.
Addicts are rarely saved yet when they are they save themselves.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.')..

Just maybe this is the kind of fire people need to be feeling inside instead of "knowing about peak oil and not giving a rats ass".

It is a given that when they can no longer afford their unsustainable lifestyles they will be giving a rats ass and maybe eating them as well!!!

...

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', ' ')I like to balance my preparation with some humanity ... I am not guaranteed a tomorrow or next week, much less 20 years from now. I will do what I can do and not get bent out of shape by what I am unable to do or control. I will enjoy what good life may be left and will help who I can when things worsen.

[Fergus]

I can concur. this is a pschological overload.

When a person starts to grasp the situation, the first time the light comes on, its scary. It is 'ITEOTWAWKI'. I remember after reading LATOC, I sat there for about an hour and thought "WTF, I dont wanna die like that"

The human mind is the most vivid theater you will ever see. Your mind can create things Hollywood, bollywood could not even imagine. Why do you think reading the book over seeing the same movie is always better. Cause your mind is wild, active, vivid and creative.

Now plug in doomsday material into that same mind.

We have all been there, some more dramatically then others maybe.

But this is a doozie of a topic to stumble upon while just surfing.

I suppose a person has to put it in perscpective and ride it out. Do what you think is best for you. Gather as much info as you can, discipher between fact and fiction and information and misinformation and be as prepared for anything as you can. Just dont let iut consume your life right now. Too much 'regular' life left before drastic measures are called for. Problem is, no one knows when we can all quit our jobs and start looting the local krogers.

[NEOPO]

Elocs:

"Regular life" led us to peakoil.
"Regular life" brung us global warming.
The "good life" meaning "modern life" I suppose.... is what drove us here.

Half ass measures got us here.
Fear got us here.
Not the fear of PO but the fear of change - changing ourselves.
We are addicted to oil and the lifestyle it has provided and we are conditioned to deny any other reality.

Sorry but my "rats ass" comment was not based on your initial comment or anything that you said for that matter and if you would have carefully read the posts leading up to mine then you may have caught that.

I do NOT gleefully anticipate PO.
I do NOT approach PO with religious "fervor" as you say even though the untrained and uninitiated might perceive such.
I am a student of Theosophy - self taught - self motivated.
I am a student of Hydrocarbon depletion the same.
For you to try and tie me up with a statement such as that is nothing more then more DENIAL AND RATIONALIZATION from an addicted mind.

Regret : there we go trying to predict the future again....

I think you are confident yet very wrong about the deathbed comments - Since PO very well could be the ambulance that drives many of us and our children to their deathbeds.

In a very short time my own children might be forced into fighting and dying for resources....both the males and the females ages 16-35.

How much regret have you had in life to this point?
Most would say "little" and then I would suggest that few understand what true regret feels like.

When you are done DENYING the seriousness of this issue and attempting to RATIONALIZE away all the "unfounded fear" based on so many "expert/doomer" predictions............if you ever are....the truth will still be waiting for you.

a second to see - an eternity to believe

Turtle - oh stop it!!
Tell us something we dont know!!
I think it is time for Turtle to have a session on Dr. Neopo's couch

Fergus - not neccessarily.
Some of us take the next few weeks/months/years/infinity in a vain yet valiant attempt to debunk peakoil and along the way we learn much more then we bargained for.

I suppose the mitigation or lack there of by most of the worlds governments, the denial and rationalization by our leaders and ourselves and what could be seen as a conspiracy to hide the facts means nothing to you people?

Geesh and you think you are stressed out by peakoil aye.......
Maybe I need to carve myself out a cozy cool mental cave to hide my fear in.......eh maybe not.
yep.......hope and flowers to a gunfight....wheres that specop when you need him!!!!

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'T')urtle - oh stop it!!
Tell us something we dont know!!
I think it is time for Turtle to have a session on Dr. Neopo's couch

[pedalling_faster]

i think some of these things are well contemplated from a beach on the Mediterranean.

how much does it cost for a Eurail pass from the Netherlands to France ?

one of my escapes is drawing useless objects, like heat sinks for over-clocked computers.

another escape i like is to go with a friend, the total domestic scene pushing the baby carriage around the park, feeding the ducks.

i think it's important to have escapes from the ultra-serious implications of peak oil.

the knowledge available on websites like this gives people somewhere between a 100 yard and a 13 mile head start in the marathon that is Peak Oil/ Energy Transition.

but, that's a moot point if you freak out or have a heart attack along the way.

i think one of the key elements of preparing for Peak Oil is learning to control the ephinephrine levels (and other adrenaline precursors) in our blood, the chemicals that are commonly associated with anxiety and anger.

[BigTex]

The imagination makes any future event seem worse than it actually is. Whatever PO reality dawns at some point in the future, I guarantee you it will be different that what the imagination today will conjure up. Maybe better, maybe worse, but it won't be what your imagination tells you it will be today, so don't trust that vision of an imaginary doomed world. Just prepare as well as you can, primarily mentally, and enjoy life today. The future is uncertain, but the present is certain. If you import the uncertainty of the future into the present and amplify it through the imagination it can get your boat rocking pretty badly.

The longer you live with something, the more your mind incorporates it into the rest of your worldview. PO is not as scary after you have been aware of it for a year or two. It's still pretty damn scary, but you begin to have a little more perspective on it and you start behaving rationally based upon your new worldview.

When I say rationally I just mean you make decisions today that take into account the possibility of a PO world tomorrow. Things like revising your views about debt, personal consumption, financial markets, the degree to which emergency services are really equipped for widespread civil unrest, things like that.

[lateralus]

antspice: If you live in the Netherlands then relax, all is fine. Go downtown and smoke a big bowl and "forgetta bout it". (Best Donnie Brasco voice)

As long as you don't wig out and go join some crazy religious organization that is.