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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 23:40:46

Hello world? No one's gonna help?
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 23:53:28

Hi, find regular work such as mcdonalds, work 40 hours aweek there, work at burger king for another 40 hours and you'll have a nice amount of $$$$ comming in. In your off time download some microsoft msce courses, after you have learn't the material and are scoring well in the practice tests, you can spend $100 and take msce certifaction tests and starting jobs for people with these qualifications are generally high.

You can make alot of money working hard or having good luck.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 00:08:21

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14 lanes, 80 signal cycle changes per hour, 8 hours a day, possibly up to 40,000 "window shoppers" per day - you do the math. What you "sell" is up to you... :twisted: 8) :lol:
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 00:17:32

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14 lanes, 80 signal cycle changes per hour, 8 hours a day, possibly up to 40,000 "window shoppers" per day - you do the math. What you "sell" is up to you... :twisted: 8) :lol:


uhmm so sorry for being stupid, but I don't get it. (really)
what are you hinting at? Opening a store in the middle of the
highway? That might work IF we crash that hard and IF the then police state government allows for it and IF people will actually buy stuff, but those are IF's that I am not willing to bet my finanical security on.
(Its like I might be rich IF I win the lottery, not gonna happen!)

Do you have a more tangible, steady, reliable solution? I mean something that will definelty work in Post Peak without relying on somewhat 'ridicuolous' odds of ridicuolous IF's turning into reality?
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 00:30:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AIM9X', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '[')img]http://www.stierdriving.com/nss-folder/pictures/intersection.jpg[/img]
14 lanes, 80 signal cycle changes per hour, 8 hours a day, possibly up to 40,000 "window shoppers" per day - you do the math. What you "sell" is up to you... :twisted: 8) :lol:


uhmm so sorry for being stupid, but I don't get it. (really)


Seriously? Maybe this photo will help...

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Panhandlers can make hundreds of bucks a day, esp. in liberal cities like Austin. Advice: grab a Greyhound ticket for your nearest academia hotspot: Berkeley, Austin, Seattle, whatever.

Remember, I get 10% for referring you. Better deal than SCAMway will cut you, I guarantee. :lol:
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 00:51:54

If you want to get rich like the big boys, you have to do what the big boys did - steal it.

That, or strike oil.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby clover » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 00:58:02

Rob a bank.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Jogger » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 01:35:35

If you were female you could have gone to work in a Nevada brothel. Nevada, the only state in the United States where selling sex is legal, could have given you your fortune!
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Vexed » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 03:19:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')e: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!


Have you thought about going the traditional route and writing a series of books on how to get rich quick? Many times, the strategy is as simple as building a glossy website, producing some sample testament videos, and getting some super cheap late night infomercial spots.

You don't even have to explain what your tested money-making system involves. Just have lots of big color pictures in the brochures that show wide-eyed couples standing in front of new yachts. Perhaps a smile that won't fade from their faces. On television show off: large families posing in their new $50,000 suvs, bachelor men showing off wads of cash, and, of course, single mothers balling over the fact that they can now pay the bills.

Ah, I could go on....

But I have to go attend to my newly-formed church. Right after I start my own country...
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Re: I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 10:03:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AIM9X', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'F')ind a way to go to college, get a degree in geophysics and become a reservoir or petroleum engineer. Starting salaries are 80 k for B's and 100k for Master's. But in that 4-5 year span it takes to get your degree, it's likely to go up to 120-150 spread for the two. That's a quick buck (those are the starting salaries :))


Mekrob, I been thinking about your proposal. That is good money! But even if I could afford the tuition of college, Oil is running out in a few years, no more refinaries are being built, Middle East is too darn dangerous to go to, Oil Companies are all cutting costs, so it is VERY hard to imagine that 80 k for B's of petro engineer will still last very long. I mean, if I spend 4 years to get me a BS in petro engineer, and then we hit post peak, and I can't find a job in the oil industry, and I am $100,000 in debt with student loans and all that, and interest rates skyrocket, hyperinflation, no oil, no water, no food, no electricity, then the only place I 'll be headed to is haliburton slavery center....!!! I don't want that fate! I want a sure fire way to MAKE MONEY! I want to make money!


No offense, but you're pretty much hopeless if you've been on this site (and the PO [electric] train) for quite some time.

Listen, peak oil does not mean the end of oil. For the past 25 years, being a petroleum or reservoir engineer was a horrible job. If you still had a job (most lost their jobs due to such low oil prices), you weren't paid shit. The starting wage just a few years ago was 40 k for a Master's, now it's 100 k for a Master's or 80 k for a Bachelor's (they didn't start accepting Bach's until lately). Even with $75 dollar oil, they are scrambling. Many companies (Exxon, Aramco) seriously believe that oil will reign free again and prices will drop. But when it becomes evident that this will not happen they will be clamouring for increasing amounts of geologists and technicals.

Within the next 10 to 15 years, nearly all of the experienced, hard working, intelligent reservoir engineers will be retiring (most are 50-60 years old so it could be sooner). When this massive talent pool is just about leaving the market, there will be a tremendous need for new engineers. The pay will only increase. The pay for good reservoir engineers (in this "great" oil environment) can by from $1200 and $1800 a day. When these minds start to retire, they'll be fetching far higher rates and salaries as will any new minds entering the business (which is projected to be insufficient just to replace retirees and not making up for new demand).

Reservoir engineering deals not with finding oil but with the mechanics of producing it (how to set up the field, what the flow rate should be, etc). They work on old as well as new fields. 100% OOIP or fields in tertiary recovery stages.

Still smaller companies will be searching for more oil from the smaller fields and structures, so geologists will still be in demand.

While oil will run out some day, it will not be within our lifetime, nor will the desire and need for it. Nor will the need for those capable of exploiting the resource. Other than farmer and other techs (alt. energy and the sort), petro/reservoir engineer is one of the only professions that will have (close to) 100% employment.

Now, is Halliburton really going to be sending away the most needed technicals in the world to some shit hole to die while laying bricks? (Petro)Engineers or burger flippers? Please use your head. Keep your composure.

Oh, and many oil companies will even pay for your education, so there will be no need to go into debt. But you will need the drive to make it through something that may not be fully in your interests (academically that is).
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To get your foot in the door, I suggest that you apply for jobs in the Gulf of Mexico. They easily pay about 60k a year. You work in shifts. That is that you will work for a certain period (10 or 14 days) and then be off for that same period of time, during which you can earn even more money. However, the work is extremely difficult. 12-14 hours a day for the entire period of your 'shift'. I'm hoping on getting a job next summer down there.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 12:08:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clover', 'R')ob a bank.


Your joking right? That is about the stupidiest thing I have ever heard.
Robbing anything in a police state government is a sure ticket to halliburton slavery/torture center, so no thank you.
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Re: I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 12:16:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AIM9X', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'F')ind a way to go to college, get a degree in geophysics and become a reservoir or petroleum engineer. Starting salaries are 80 k for B's and 100k for Master's. But in that 4-5 year span it takes to get your degree, it's likely to go up to 120-150 spread for the two. That's a quick buck (those are the starting salaries :))


Mekrob, I been thinking about your proposal. That is good money! But even if I could afford the tuition of college, Oil is running out in a few years, no more refinaries are being built, Middle East is too darn dangerous to go to, Oil Companies are all cutting costs, so it is VERY hard to imagine that 80 k for B's of petro engineer will still last very long. I mean, if I spend 4 years to get me a BS in petro engineer, and then we hit post peak, and I can't find a job in the oil industry, and I am $100,000 in debt with student loans and all that, and interest rates skyrocket, hyperinflation, no oil, no water, no food, no electricity, then the only place I 'll be headed to is haliburton slavery center....!!! I don't want that fate! I want a sure fire way to MAKE MONEY! I want to make money!


No offense, but you're pretty much hopeless if you've been on this site (and the PO [electric] train) for quite some time.

Listen, peak oil does not mean the end of oil. For the past 25 years, being a petroleum or reservoir engineer was a horrible job. If you still had a job (most lost their jobs due to such low oil prices), you weren't paid shit. The starting wage just a few years ago was 40 k for a Master's, now it's 100 k for a Master's or 80 k for a Bachelor's (they didn't start accepting Bach's until lately). Even with $75 dollar oil, they are scrambling. Many companies (Exxon, Aramco) seriously believe that oil will reign free again and prices will drop. But when it becomes evident that this will not happen they will be clamouring for increasing amounts of geologists and technicals.

Within the next 10 to 15 years, nearly all of the experienced, hard working, intelligent reservoir engineers will be retiring (most are 50-60 years old so it could be sooner). When this massive talent pool is just about leaving the market, there will be a tremendous need for new engineers. The pay will only increase. The pay for good reservoir engineers (in this "great" oil environment) can by from $1200 and $1800 a day. When these minds start to retire, they'll be fetching far higher rates and salaries as will any new minds entering the business (which is projected to be insufficient just to replace retirees and not making up for new demand).

Reservoir engineering deals not with finding oil but with the mechanics of producing it (how to set up the field, what the flow rate should be, etc). They work on old as well as new fields. 100% OOIP or fields in tertiary recovery stages.

Still smaller companies will be searching for more oil from the smaller fields and structures, so geologists will still be in demand.

While oil will run out some day, it will not be within our lifetime, nor will the desire and need for it. Nor will the need for those capable of exploiting the resource. Other than farmer and other techs (alt. energy and the sort), petro/reservoir engineer is one of the only professions that will have (close to) 100% employment.

Now, is Halliburton really going to be sending away the most needed technicals in the world to some shit hole to die while laying bricks? (Petro)Engineers or burger flippers? Please use your head. Keep your composure.

Oh, and many oil companies will even pay for your education, so there will be no need to go into debt. But you will need the drive to make it through something that may not be fully in your interests (academically that is).
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To get your foot in the door, I suggest that you apply for jobs in the Gulf of Mexico. They easily pay about 60k a year. You work in shifts. That is that you will work for a certain period (10 or 14 days) and then be off for that same period of time, during which you can earn even more money. However, the work is extremely difficult. 12-14 hours a day for the entire period of your 'shift'. I'm hoping on getting a job next summer down there.


Thanks mekrob, thats some optimistic news there! If what you say is indeed true (and now that I think of it, it does make sense Halliburton will cut the throats of McDOnald workers before Oil workers) I just have one further question for you.

How do/would I get started? Did you read carefully my first post in this thread? ie no degree, no certificates.... Now, which oil companies is going to hire or pay to teach someone with no degree or no certitificates etc? especially someone who likes to talk about the end of the oil age and olduvia gorge and dieoff all day and night??

any advice? thanks
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 12:27:41

Jogger, Dreamtwister, emersonbiggins, Vexed

When the SHit Hits the Fan (and even a few years BEFORE it does)
the situation will get worse and worse, Panhandlers will get
COMPETITION! If you think other people won't have thought of the
same idea then you are fooling yourself. People always go for
the easy quick get rich methods, (like real estate) and
it nevers works real good because then there is to much competition.

Jogger, even if I was a female and could work as a prostitute, you are
forgetting one thing. When the shit really hits, thousands of hot females in Vegas will starve, even prudes will hit the streets giving
sex for money. BUT when shit really hits, the MALES won't even have
enough money to EAT, so do you really think they will still pay the high rate for sex? And even if they DID, the influx of SO MUCH EXTRA
females will be too much supply to little demand, and price per screwing will definetly go DOWN, way DOWN. But in the meantime, price of oil, water, food, everything will go WAY UP, so that won't even
earn anyone a living anymore! NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!!


Vexed, I see more and more people doing that EVERYDAY!
So say after post peak and everyone and their dog writes
a a series of books on how to get rich quick, WHO's gonna
buy them? Exactly! No ONE!

Guys, Mekrob is the only one in here that gave me some good sound advice. I get the feeling most of you are just joking and poking fun at me, esp that person that told me to go rob a bank
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 12:35:40

Stand back I'm going on a rant..

I think it is possible to build wealth in a hard crash scenario. For the last 12 years outside my normal day job I have focused my efforts in real estate, land management and will eventually agriculture (Cattle). I may crow a lot about the family ranch but if a nuke turns it into a glass crater, I got options.

In fact I have no assets in a 401k or stocks. It's all in Commercial and agriculturally zoned land but NOT residential properties(rent houses). Folks, there is a heck of a lot of opportunities in the future if you could muster 5-10 grand over the next 5 years. It's not a complete answer but it adds up to a partial solution. I'm into select harvesting timber management (not clear cutting) , leasing land for hunting or recreation, and I have 30yr lease on a cell phone tower to Cingular. $100 here a $100 there, all reinvested in land or a fund to buy cattle. I think the big winners in a hard crash will be the land owners, farmers, merchants and tradesmen.

Little things add up, and little by little I feel better, almost-optimistic... Maybe because of that fact I can have a sense of humor in the face of doom. Just look at posters like Ludi, Pops, Nik, Spec, EB, Smallpox, shanny, turtle and way to many others to name: these are average folks creating solutions AND they are willing to share knowledge freely on the internet.

Speaking as a conservative baptist white male, I'm at the point now where I could care less where you are politically . We are going to have bigger problems than tax credits, school vouchers, prayer in school,or other issues that have divided this country to the left and the right. All I care about now is:ARE YOU AWARE? Getting our heads out of our asses is half the solution, If you are on this website you are amongst the few who actually can have a decent shot in a hard crash.
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Re: I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 12:42:17

While oil will run out some day, it will not be within our lifetime, nor will the desire and need for it. Nor will the need for those capable of exploiting the resource. Other than farmer and other techs (alt. energy and the sort), petro/reservoir engineer is one of the only professions that will have (close to) 100% employment.


Mekrob, after re-re-reading your last post I got another concern I'd like to address.

You see, there are a lot of people in this world, a lot of SMART people.
So if YOU see what is happening, you can bet almost millions of others in America see it too! (even if only 1% of the US population see what is happening, that is STILL 3 MILLION PEOPLE!) and when everyone and there dog see's jobs like Petro Eng bring in lots of hard cash while jobs like Computer Science or Doctors and Lawyers, and Businessman doesn't pay for crap anymore, EVERYONE and their Mother will clamour around for an Oil, Farming, Alt Energy JOB! Last Night I had a dream and in the dream MSM Openly and publicly announced the validity of PEAK OIL. The point is this Mekrob, when SHIT HIT THE FAN everyone will suddenly know about Peak Oil, and even if they don't everyone will certainly know which jobs pay the best and go for them (even the stupidest people in the world are good at following where the MONEY goes!!)

So when that happens, there will be a SURPLUS of Oil engineers (just like in the dot-com bust there was a SURPLUS of computer people and they got all laid off or salary cut big time) so the demand will naturally taper off and the pay will certaintly not be as high as a result.

So I ask seriously Mekrob, do you really think this is a good career path for the next 10-15 years? (ie from 2007-2020)?

Thanks!
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 13:37:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AIM9X', 'I') get the feeling most of you are just joking and poking fun at me, esp that person that told me to go rob a bank


I wasn't kidding, I was being dead serious. Let's look at where some of the "big boys" got their money:

1. Bill Gates: I'd call that the digital equivilant of striking oil
2. Warren Buffet: Big-time investments (need money to make money here)
3. Paul Allen: More digital oil, Microsoft
4. Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah : Real oil this time
5. King Fahd Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud : Oil
6. Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan oil
7. Steven Ballmer : Microsoft
8. Amir Jaber Al-Ahmed Al-Jaber Alsabah : Oil
9. Phillip F. Anschutz : Oil
10. Michael Dell : Computers

Now, let's look at some of the legacy wealth. That's families who's wealth is hidden in foundations and tax shelters and can't really be accounted. You should recognize most of these names:

Rothschild : International banking dynasty. Founded by Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the father of the modern European banking system. Quite possibly the largest wholesale theft in history.

Rockefeller : Founded by John Davison Rockefeller, Sr. The Rockefeller fortune started in...big surprise here...oil. He founded the Standard Oil Company with money he raised by selling whiskey to the Union Army during the civil war.

Winthrop : Land barons. Founded by John Winthrop, recieved a land grant from King Charles I, which he promptly used to found the Massachusetts Bay Colony and got fat on taxes.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby clover » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 13:45:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AIM9X', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clover', 'R')ob a bank.


Your joking right?


You were the one who brought up Amway I thought this was a joke thread.

There's no legitimate, hard-working way to get really rich. Comfortable, sure. But to run in circles where the real money is takes more than the standard American Dream formula.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Anjorni » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 13:46:56

Well, even IF 3 million people were to pick up on the job, they wont be doing it for another 2 or 3 years, which at that point, you'd already be well into your engineering education (hopefully where the company has been paying for you - therefore has a vested interest in YOU). And if you can really get into gear (18 units/semester, summer/winter courses) and be done in 3 years (hey - my wife did) you will already be in the industry at the height of salaries, and even one year @ 80k is still 80 friggin k.

Aside from the salary you have already earned, you will have a leg up on ALL the others, as you will have EXPERIENCE and if you're good at what u do, the company would be a fool to let you go.

or

lets say you do get your salary slashed.... wouldnt 30/40 K be better than zero?

In the meantime, while you have been working in the field, making ur 80k, you can choose to keep your lifestyle the way it is, with low overhead, and all the extra money you'd be brining in could go to building a sustainable life, or at least stockpiling essentials away to help you ride out the really serious part of the dieoff...

it's still a helluva lot better than being on welfare when TSHTF!

As an aside - a lot of those ppl laid off during the dot com bust were busters - the ones who really knew what they were doing either didnt get laid off, or they were picked up elsewhere, and now are excelling in their careers. So it's not all for naut when/if you get laid off.

If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for a job on a rig right about now.

-Good Luck
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby Vexed » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 14:58:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')exed, I see more and more people doing that EVERYDAY!
So say after post peak and everyone and their dog writes
a a series of books on how to get rich quick, WHO's gonna
buy them? Exactly! No ONE!


I think you missed my sarcasm.
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Re: HELP! I wanna get rich quick!

Unread postby AIM9X » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 16:58:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anjorni', 'W')ell, even IF 3 million people were to pick up on the job, they wont be doing it for another 2 or 3 years, which at that point, you'd already be well into your engineering education (hopefully where the company has been paying for you - therefore has a vested interest in YOU). And if you can really get into gear (18 units/semester, summer/winter courses) and be done in 3 years (hey - my wife did) you will already be in the industry at the height of salaries, and even one year @ 80k is still 80 friggin k.

Aside from the salary you have already earned, you will have a leg up on ALL the others, as you will have EXPERIENCE and if you're good at what u do, the company would be a fool to let you go.

or

lets say you do get your salary slashed.... wouldnt 30/40 K be better than zero?

In the meantime, while you have been working in the field, making ur 80k, you can choose to keep your lifestyle the way it is, with low overhead, and all the extra money you'd be brining in could go to building a sustainable life, or at least stockpiling essentials away to help you ride out the really serious part of the dieoff...

it's still a helluva lot better than being on welfare when TSHTF!

As an aside - a lot of those ppl laid off during the dot com bust were busters - the ones who really knew what they were doing either didnt get laid off, or they were picked up elsewhere, and now are excelling in their careers. So it's not all for naut when/if you get laid off.

If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for a job on a rig right about now.

-Good Luck


How do I get started? Anjorni, point me to a website or a link with more information...
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