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When did Andrew McKillop lose his mind?

Unread postby killJOY » Sun 23 Apr 2006, 09:57:29

Andrew McKillop's argument goes like this:

The anti-peak oil arguments are just like those supporting evolution: they're full of gaps.

Let's stroll through and harvest some bouquets of fallacies:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ight at the start of the Darwin controversy, from about 1859 with the publication of Darwin’s “Origins” masterwork, his evolutionary theory was mainly rejected outright. Not so very long after, however, it had become Official Science, and this for a variety of reasons. One in particular, that continues right up to now, is that Darwinist notions can be used to rationalize and justify the New Economy and it [sic] credo of deliberately increasing economic inequality, to “sharpen competition”. Many other Darwinist notions are apparently very comforting to not only some defenders of scientific orthodoxy, but also to performers in the political circus. Such is the desire to ensure that confusion and incoherence reigns, that, today, many US states school curriculums include not only Darwinist evolution, but also Creationism. Choose either one – you can only be wrong !


"Darwinist ideas can be expropriated by the unscrupulous. Therefore, Darwinism is false." The point: anti-peak oil arguments can also be expropriated by "performers in the political circus."

No need to look at evidence. Just perform some arm-chair logical legerdemain and you've just kicked some Darwinist butt.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')arwin never directly said human beings are “descended from apes”, and likewise nobody serious in the Peak Oil movement, to my knowledge, says that we are at “the end of oil”. Yet this slogan is now everywhere, and is a red rag to the charging bulls of the bourse, or Growth Economy.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('But Darwin', 'W')e must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system - with all these exalted powers - Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin.


One clue to not sounding like an idiot is to read a little about the subject.

Not only that, is there any Darwinist today who seriously thinks humans have not descended from primates, the same group apes belong to? [See "The Third Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n New Economy fairytale economics the growth of the economy is slow, sure and permanent (rather like Darwinian evolution)


If two things are alike in some ways, well then they're alike in ALL ways. This is known as "FALSE ANALOGY" to college freshmen studying Logic 101.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')arwinism was (almost exactly) wrong.
The greatest problem with Darwinian evolution theory, apart from it [sic] being a theory that can never be verified – because we cant [sic]go back to the beginning of life on this planet and “see what happens” – is that no proof at all can be found of ongoing or contemporary evolution. Also, there are only missing links, and no common ancestors. Of course some die-hard Darwinists can howl at this brief summary, but Darwin theory is very, very shaky.

In the exact same way, Peak Oil Negationists, or defenders of the ever-full barrel, are improving their pitch and their research results due to constant discoveries of ‘new oil’ and ‘near oil’,[blah blah blah]


Poor lad! If his wife is murdered, we can never find a perpetrator and put him or her in jail, because, you see, we can't go back and "see what happened."

For this lad, evidence and inference and deduction do not exist. Only eyeballing "what happened."

Poor lad! He never read "The Beak of the Finch" by Jonathan Weiner, which details the decades-long studies of Darwin's favorite birds on the Galapagos Islands.

He has never read how infectious diseases evolve right before the eyes of researchers trying to eradicate them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hus the Peak Oil Negation industry will have to work a lot harder. What is needed is one or two more Ghawars or Canterells , nothing else will do ! This could be assimilated to the Darwinists finding fossils of real flying reptiles, or even more sensational, flying amphibians that ‘jumped the queue’ on their reptile competitors and got into the air first. The crushing absence of even trivial ‘evolutionary step’ fossils for almost any animal species you care to mention- and worse still for plants – was, and is a major reason that Darwinism is essentially a myth, and not anything that could be called ‘science’.


Well, no such anti-peak oil argument could be "assimilated" to Darwinism (see FALSE ANALOGY above).

As for the rest, have a gander at this:

Here's the height of absurdity:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e note the clear connection: eagerly, or desperately seeking fossils to support a broken-back theory of the early 1800s (Darwin’s first completed draft of “Origins” was in the 1830s) is very comparable to seeking fossil energy reserves absolutely anywhere on Earth. Darwin himself mused, in print, on the vast new reserves of fossils remains that would surely be found in South America, in Asia, the Poles, and under the oceans, which of course would prove his theory.


Um, how could there even be "fossil energy reserves" without there being fossils in the first place?

Since Darwin's time, "reserves" of fossils have indeed been found--enough to blow his mind.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ince Darwin gave absolutely no scientific reasoning in coming to major conclusions, in many parts of his “origins” book, I can also economise on this tiresome detail - and leave it to the debating arena !


When you can't think of a lie, just deny, deny, deny.

McKillop is as amusing as those Baptists I see driving their hulking gas-guzzling SUVs to the church down the road from me. They go there to learn a view of the world which denies the very science that permits them to drive their SUVs to the church in the first place.


(by refuting McKillop's hideous reasoning, I'm in no way ENDORSING the anti-peak oil argument, you know.) :evil:
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Re: When did Andrew McKillop lose his mind?

Unread postby mididoctors » Sun 23 Apr 2006, 10:12:09

looks like an attempt to hi jack a issue for some other agenda to me?

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Re: When did Andrew McKillop lose his mind?

Unread postby Cynus » Sun 23 Apr 2006, 12:29:54

Complete insanity. Shows no understanding of evolutionary theories or its evidence. The attept to compare peak oil with evolution is so misguided I don't know where to begin. The one interesting point is perhaps in his attempt to criticize capitalism's justification of ruthless competition at the expense of human sympathy and morality (of course there's nothing in evolutionary theory to prevent a species from being sympathetic and moral).
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Re: When did Andrew McKillop lose his mind?

Unread postby KevO » Sun 16 Jul 2006, 06:44:15

Amazon sent me this 'recommedation' this morning.
They know us so well :oops:

This book explores the crisis in fossil fuels. Oil, gas and coal are precious resources that define modern life. Without them, mass-produced food and clothing, and international travel and cars, become rare or impossible. Yet our reliance on fossil fuels is responsible for massive environmental damage, and increasing economic and political instability. Control over oil resources has been a major factor in several wars. The price of oil is also key to world economic stability. Yet our supply of oil is limited. As with other fossil fuels, the more we burn, the more damage we do – the number one cause behind global warming is the increase in carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels. The international range of contributors to this book provide a truly global perspective on the dangers inherent in our over-consumption of oil, gas and coal. They explore detailed evidence of the imminent acceleration of fossil fuel depletion and the limits of ‘sustainability’. They outline the political background to the situation, not just among the world’s largest consumers of fossil fuel, the US and China, but also in Europe and the developing world. Considering our future economic survival, they include a detailed examination of France and Australia. Finally, they explore the extreme costs of alternatives such as nuclear power, and outline other possible lifestyles and methods. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Synopsis
Oil and gas are running out faster than the vast majority of people realise and this will have seismic consequences for the whole world. Even by the year 2005, oil will start to become in short supply, prices will start going up, and politicians will opt for the nuclear energy option - with all the consequences that this option implies. The Final Energy Crisis illustrates the oil shortages, explains why Kyoto agreements are impossible, and how the oil wars which already span the globe, from Angola to Chechnya, will only get worse as the need for cheap oil will dominate the world's political agenda.
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Re: When did Andrew McKillop lose his mind?

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 16 Jul 2006, 06:57:26

McKillop is interesting he is a peaker but his main claim is that high oil prices won't necessarily break the economy.

This may be true but

(a) there are lots of signs of pain in the transport sectors
(b) physical lack of the stuff will.
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Re: When did Andrew McKillop lose his mind?

Unread postby KevO » Sun 16 Jul 2006, 07:17:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
')Oil and gas are running out faster than the vast majority of people realise and this will have seismic consequences for the whole world. Even by the year 2005, oil will start to become in short supply, prices will start going up, and politicians will opt for the nuclear energy option - with all the consequences that this option implies.


He didn't get this wrong though did he?!
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Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 11:30:52

Cynus said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')omplete insanity. Shows no understanding of evolutionary theories or its evidence.


If you get a chance take a look at “The Hidden History of the Human Race”, by Richard L. Thompson. Darwinian theory applied to the descent of man has been so skewed by the held paradigms of the observers that it is practically useless. Particularly, take a look at his examples of dating human archieological sites on the basis of morphology.

Palo-archeology is no less a religion than what the Creationist lunatics expound. Just because the Creationist are wrong, doesn’t mean that contemporary archeology is right, and vice versa.

rogerhb said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')cKillop is interesting he is a peaker but his main claim is that high oil prices won't necessarily break the economy.


I exchanged a few emails with McKillop right after he got into a dispute with the Bush Clan on his interpretation of the ME oil situation. At that time he was looking for another job. From what I have read in his recent articles, I don’t think he is expressing his view very well, if he is, he has radically changed his mind over the last couple of years. What we discussed previously was that higher oil prices would temporarily improve US economic outlook. That is basically because we print the money that is used to buy oil. He agreed with me, back then, that somewhere about $90 per barrel that the US monetary shell game would start coming unraveled.

I have come down a litle on that position and a few comments in his articles make be think that he may have gone up some.


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