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Fair Tax - Replace Income Tax with Sales Tax? Yes, or No
Re: Fair Tax - Replace Income Tax with Sales Tax? Yes, or No
by 128shot » Sat 15 Jul 2006, 02:30:01
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'T')his is true. The main problem with the Irish Famine was that it was caused by relying too much on one thing!
Sorry to shoot you down, but that's bull crap. The Irish were growing quite a diverse variety of foods. The English landlords were then taking that food and exporting it back to England. Only the potatoes were considered so lowly that the Irish were allowed to eat them. Ireland throughout the "famine" grew more than enough food to feed itself. The food was sent to England and the Irish starved. In fact there is good evidence that the system of only allowing Irish to keep the potatoes arose because the English landlords were scheming on how to reduce the Irish population and realized that if they were limited to one crop, that crop would eventually fail. The so called famine is better described by the 20th century word genocide.
Just a simple run on wikipedia disputes this "fact"
A good core of irish historians don't even call it a genocide, and thats just a basic wikipedia article.
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Re: Fair Tax - Replace Income Tax with Sales Tax? Yes, or No
by smallpoxgirl » Sat 15 Jul 2006, 03:11:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wikipedia', 'S')ome Irish, British and US historians...have long dismissed claims of a deliberate policy of extermination(emphasis in original)
Yes. A most thorough rebutal. If some historians think it was accidental or negligent policies of extermination but not an intentional policy of extermination then I obviously must be wrong. I'm sure you're right. It was just lazy Paddies too stupid to grow anything but potatoes.
If you want to pursue your education a bit further than Wikipedia, you might want to start with this from the New Jersey public high school Genocide and Holocaust Curriculum. Link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')etween 1845 and 1850, more than a million Irish people starved to death while massive quantities of food were being exported from their country. A half million were evicted from their homes during the potato blight, and a million and a half emigrated to America, Britain and Australia, often on-board rotting, overcrowded "coffin ships". This is the story of how that immense tragedy came to pass.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')reland Before and After the Famine, author Cormac O’Grada documents that in 1845, a famine year in Ireland, 3,251,907 quarters (8 bushels = 1 quarter)) of corn were exported from Ireland to Britain. That same year, 257,257 sheep were exported to Britain. In 1846, another famine year, 480,827 swine, and 186,483 oxen were exported to Britain. (28.)
Cecil Woodham-Smith, considered the preeminent authority on the Irish Famine, wrote in The Great Hunger; Ireland 1845-1849 that, "...no issue has provoked so much anger or so embittered relations between the two countries (England and Ireland) as the indisputable fact that huge quantities of food were exported from Ireland to England throughout the period when the people of Ireland were dying of starvation." (29.)
"Although the potato crop failed, the country was still producing and exporting more than enough grain crops to feed the population. But that was a 'money crop' and not a 'food crop' and could not be interfered with." (30.)
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Dr. Kinealy's research proves beyond a reasonable doubt that there was sufficient food in Ireland to prevent mass starvation, and that the food was brought through the worst famine-stricken areas on its way to England. British regiments guarded the ports and warehouses in Ireland to guarantee absentee landlords and commodity speculators their "free market" profits.
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What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
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