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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 21:46:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'A')s a matter of fact it was rogerhb who said that. And as far as I understand he meant it in a very sarcastic way.


Absolutely. :)

And I was amazed at the torrent it triggered!
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Collapse of America

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 22:47:25

The Code of Conduct strongly suggests that a thread should at least appear to stay on topic for longer than say, 2 posts.

If we want to talk about the grammer rules, we can create a thread called, "Grammer Rules". Then I can move all of the wonderful grammer fights into that thread from now on.

If we do not want to create a new and amazingly exciting thread on the proper use of contractions...we should probably start talking about that video.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 09:06:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'G')ame, set and match.


I don't think so :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '.')..

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but few if any of us schooled in this sort of esoterica would agree with it.


Where did I say one should not start a sentence with one of the conjunctions?

As a matter of fact it was rogerhb who said that.
But I said it's not an easy task and requires skill. And I said using this style of writing to often would make a text very monotonous. Again, it requires skill to use it.



I was simultaneously responding to both roger's comments and yours. Sorry if this wasn't apparent.

The fact is that there is a mistaken notion out there that starting a sentence with a conjunction is somehow fundamentally suspect, and both roger's and your comments reflected that.

Using any stylistic device too much would be monotonous---so you don't have much of a point there.

And I don't see what's so particularly difficult about starting a sentence with a conjunction (there, I just did it. See how "And" contributes?). Yes, good writing takes skill---all aspects of it.

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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 09:31:59

Heineken you are right and we are wrong.

And are you happy now? And are you feeling better? And Satisfied?

And can we go back on topic now or do you still have the urge to defend yourself against ... what?
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Jack » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 13:10:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', '[')how debt is evil and against god, robs people of morals that you can get anything for nothing and not work. Gives tips on how to survive and how to work during the crash.


Debt is a tool - quite an effective tool. So is a chainsaw.

The use of debt for home mortgages, during a period of moderate interest rates and increasing housing prices, improved the U.S. economy and - arguably - global living standards.

If the future brings declining housing prices, then the tool will have caused injury - but it is not the tool, rather it is the misapplication of the tool that is the problem.

So debt is evil - if one's timing and strategy are wrong. And debt is good - if one is correct in one's choices.

What if inflation is high? Should one own dollars or owe them?
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 22:05:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'h')uh? what? you on that heron again?


I'm afraid I'm going to have to call the Audubon Society about this... :?
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 22:41:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')hat if inflation is high? Should one own dollars or owe them?


I do hope that question was rhetorical.

In theory owing is the best, but only if you have increasing income.

If you have inflation but no wage inflation, then things suck whatever you are doing, as you still have the debt and they will ramp up the interest rates to insane numbers.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 10:35:00

To the people who are arguing in this thread....to me propper grammer is nice but as long as the communication is expressed coherently using related words, the grammer is very very secondary. The way you people are arguing, it sounds like you've learn't skills watching reruns of fraiser, pretending to talk "witty" rather than having built real English skills though obtaining PHD's and teaching as you have claimed.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 13:47:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'T')o the people who are arguing in this thread....to me propper grammer is nice but as long as the communication is expressed coherently using related words, the grammer is very very secondary. The way you people are arguing, it sounds like you've learn't skills watching reruns of fraiser, pretending to talk "witty" rather than having built real English skills though obtaining PHD's and teaching as you have claimed.


Skill in grammar (and all the other basic mechanics of writing) goes hand-in-hand with coherent communication, Dukat. It's folly to assert that any of the fundamentals of good writing don't matter to good written communication.

It's convenient to disparage good writing skills when one hasn't mastered them. I see this phenomenon all the time. Analogous would be someone who got F's in math saying math sucks and isn't really necessary or useful, or that it doesn't matter if you get the right answer or not. Granted, language is somewhat more forgiving than math.

To me the decline in writing skills parallels the failure of our educational systems and indeed the drunken reeling of our civilization. The same thing happened during the later years of the Roman Empire, when the bastardization of Latin was bemoaned by the scholars of the time.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 13:54:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'H')eineken you are right and we are wrong.

And are you happy now? And are you feeling better? And Satisfied?

And can we go back on topic now or do you still have the urge to defend yourself against ... what?


Takes two to tango, Lighthouse. Still, I accept your rather backhanded peace gesture. Kind regards.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby SoothSayer » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 14:15:01

Forget grammar ... wee nead betta spellling hear at Peek Oill ... i'ts nott verry goodd.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 15:03:24

I cannot see any causation between "The Crash, The Coming Financial Col(l)apse of America" AND grammar (good, bad or ugly).

There are plenty of forums, where "educational doom" can be discussed, but I observe that this one is rather dedicated to energy related issues.

Better to keep it this way. Few current grammar haggling threads gone really boring, even if original subject was interesting.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 17:59:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I') cannot see any causation between "The Crash, The Coming Financial Col(l)apse of America" AND grammar (good, bad or ugly).


It represents general decay of the system. :)
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