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Is The $100 Mark Merely Myth?

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What will happen when oil hits the $100 mark?

Stocks of oil companies will go up, the rest of the market will be about the same
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Stocks of oil companies will go down, the rest of the market will be about the same
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The whole market will crash, including oil stocks
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The market will crash, but oil stocks will go up or stay the same
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No significant change in the market
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Other
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 06:57:09

Nothing. The MSM will be pointing out that the inflation-adjusted high of $110 hasn't yet been broken.

:lol:

Of course, that number keeps moving upward with the oil price...
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby Jack » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 07:52:43

Doly, the problem is that the experts have been saying - for years, actually - that the market is badly overpriced. Dividend yields are low, price-earnings ratios high. We are due for lower prices. For a much more extensive discussion of that view, you might wish to look at "Bullseye Investing" by Mauldin. One might conclude that this sets us up for a sharp decline - perhaps. But the psychology doesn't seem quite right. Not yet.

Another view is presented by Leeb in his books on the market vs. oil prices. As I recall, his litmus test was an increase of 80% in crude prices over 12 months - his studies suggests that this triggers a decline. (The Oil Factor: Protect Yourself and Profit from the Coming Energy Crisis by Stephen Leeb and Donna Leeb)

I notice that we have an inverted yield curve (short term interest rates greater than long term interest rates) which has, historically, suggested recession. The market will probably like a recession, since that would dissuade the fed from raising interest rates further.

So, my take....oil stocks will go up a little, the market will stay in a trading range, perhaps going a bit lower through November's elections.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby whereagles » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 09:12:46

Nothing will happen. A few minor tweaks here and there and it all goes on in "business as usual" fashion.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby green_achers » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 11:19:43

Unless the price spikes suddenly as a result of some crisis, there will be little change the day it hits that price. Some profits will be made out of unsuspecting fools who actually react to the news, but the major adjustments will be made in advance as the price nears the big fat, round number.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby Fergus » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 12:08:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'U')nless the price spikes suddenly as a result of some crisis, there will be little change the day it hits that price. Some profits will be made out of unsuspecting fools who actually react to the news, but the major adjustments will be made in advance as the price nears the big fat, round number.


I foresee a louder vocal bang as pple find there dinner out, SUV, Spinning wheels, dripping gold and diamond encrusted jewelery money gets eaten by the gas prices. The welfare recipeints will be hard pressed to keep getting there hair and nails done. I imagine crime will shoot up as drug dealers wont extend credit to the addicts that no longer have money cause the ride took it all in gas.

But in the grand scheme of things, nothing will happen. Certainly on the political front. $100.00 is just tightening area. We will have to tighten and retighten our belts several times before catastrophic changes occur.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby venky » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 14:37:49

There are already reports of the US economy slowing down or going to this year or the next. That is to be expected after almost 5 years of growth, the price of oil must be having some impact also.

I think $100 oil will just make it more pronounced.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby mekrob » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 14:53:26

I'll jump up and down as my oil-trading (generous) uncle just made 10 million more dollars.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby evilgenius » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 20:28:29

I'll hope that finally it will lead to development in the Joint Development Zone off the West African Coast between Sao Tome and Principe and Nigeria. I have penny stocks there that will go through the roof.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby Vexed » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 23:54:32

There will be a lot of monkeys flying out of butts.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby Windmills » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 14:55:45

Given that oil is so critical to so many economic activities, the prices of a great many goods and services are going to continue to rise. I'm not sure what the Fed can do about that type of inflation. The result will be continued pain for the stock market and the automotive and housing industries, among many, as well as everyone else that's plugged into the economy.

The rising price of oil supposedly makes economical the alternatives to oil-based energy and goods. There are estimates for the prices at which these things are thought to happen. I am very curious to see estimates about the flip side of this coin: at what prices do we see businesses start to be destroyed? At which price of gasoline do delivery services become uneconomical, such as flowers, pizza, and so forth? What price of fuel will cause all airlines to lose money (if that isn't already happening)? When will truckers start to lose money? tourism? fishing? It'd be fascinating to see a long list of various businesses and the points at which they are no longer profitable due to fuel costs.
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby SoothSayer » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 15:08:15

It'd be fascinating to see a long list of various businesses and the points at which they are no longer profitable due to fuel costs.

This should be highlighted as a very key question .. why not start a new thread?

On second thoughts, don't bother ... it'll roam off into a side topic and you still won't have any data ... perhaps The Oil Drum would be a good place to post it?
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 07:39:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'I')'ve been wondering what the market reaction will be when oil hits the psychologically significant $100 mark. What do the experts think?


$100 December calls were trading at $1.10 last week, so they are higher than they were for sure. But I think you really have to differentiate between which markets and which economies specifically?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the reasons why, in the absence of such demand disruptions, the economic effects of energy price increases should be manageable can be seen from the following argument. Suppose that somebody was previously paying x dollars for their energy bill, and energy prices then go up by y percent. One option for that person is just to go on doing everything pretty much as they were before, spending now xy more dollars on energy and reducing saving or spending on other products by only that amount. With the U.S. currently using about 7.5 billion barrels of oil each year, a $10/barrel increase amounts to $75 billion, which represents a little over half a percent of our $13 trillion GDP. For comparison, an economic recession typically results in a loss of somewhere around 5% of GDP. Something more than the direct loss of purchasing power is needed to produce a full-scale recession.
Can the economy shrug off $80 oil?

Your list of outcomes in your survey, did not for example have oil company shares down somewhat on the back of higher inflation expectations and a lower broad market, but still supported by higher crude prices in absolute terms. Are you assuming a higher crude oil price of $100 and a lower US dollar at the sametime? In this case the effects on other countries and their economies might be mitigated?

For my part, I think $100 is just another round number like $50 or $75 and that life goes on. If we slowly grind higher, no problem. If the ME deteriorates and we spike to there next week due to the Strait of Hormuz closing or Iran boycotting its own oil exports, then it would be more disruptive for sure!
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Re: What will happen when oil hits the 100$ mark?

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 02:50:54

Wow, $11 a gallon for gasoline. Makes $3 a gallon seem like a bargain considering wages are much lower in Belize than in America! The Belize GDP per person is about $3200 versus $36.200 in the USA (using non-PPP adjusted figures from 2002)

$11 per gallon is $462 per barrel equivalent and yet motorists have not completely abandoned their cars. Makes you think about high prices and demand destruction in a new light when there are no alternatives?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the new reality of fuel prices inching uncomfortably close to eleven dollars a gallon, a disturbing trend has been affecting an increasing number of Belizean motorists: stolen gasoline. According to the Police Department, the crime is a persistent problem as victims often fail to report the crime and simply repair their vehicles, keeping fingers crossed that it won't happen again. But this morning we spoke with one Belize City resident who says the situation has left him running on empty.
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