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The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 23:01:42

Torrent

This is very good, explains how debt is evil and against god, robs people of morals that you can get anything for nothing and not work. Gives tips on how to survive and how to work during the crash.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Jack » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 23:11:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'd')ebt is evil and against god, robs people of morals that you can get anything for nothing and not work.


You make all this sound as if it's a bad thing.

Evil...robs people of morals...get anything for nothing...not work.

Sign me up! 8)
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 23:16:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'T')his is very good, explains how debt is evil and against god, robs people of morals that you can get anything for nothing and not work.


Usary used to be illegal for Christians, and Jews were denied most jobs so they turned to banking, hence the expulsion of the Jews in England so that King Edward I did not have to pay his debts.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 23:30:08

pezzz, Jack.

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Hey use leverage and buy stocks and become rich like us, everyone is doing it, we're becoming rich doing nothing, they way it should be, yay!!.


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Huh....we didn't realise we would have to begin paying it back.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Jack » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 23:57:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', '
')Huh....we didn't realise we would have to begin paying it back.


1) Don't buy on margin

2) Shares are no long assessable

3) Financial hard times are an effective mechanism for wealth transfer.

But as you suggest, one must be nimble.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 00:34:07

and quick! ;-)
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby americandream » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 01:25:11

has it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice...in driving away those more modest folks with no time to spare for the vagaries of a style of innuendo so much the hallmark of the American idle these days......try toning down your posts and actually addressing the core issue.....whether peak oil is in fact taking place or not.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 01:35:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'd')ebt is evil and against god, robs people of morals that you can get anything for nothing and not work.


You make all this sound as if it's a bad thing.

Evil...robs people of morals...get anything for nothing...not work.

Sign me up! 8)


Me too! me too! me too!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'U')sary[sic] :P used to be illegal for Christians, and Jews were denied most jobs so they turned to banking, hence the expulsion of the Jews in England so that King Edward I did not have to pay his debts.


Usury (as in practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest) is still illegal in Germany even for atheists.

The German word for this practice is Wucher ...

§ 138 BGB
Sittenwidriges Rechtsgeschäft; Wucher
(1) Ein Rechtsgeschäft, das gegen die guten Sitten verstößt, ist nichtig.

(2) Nichtig ist insbesondere ein Rechtsgeschäft, durch das jemand unter Ausbeutung der Zwangslage, der Unerfahrenheit, des Mangels an Urteilsvermögen oder der erheblichen Willensschwäche eines anderen sich oder einem Dritten für eine Leistung Vermögensvorteile versprechen oder gewähren lässt, die in einem auffälligen Missverhältnis zu der Leistung stehen.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby sch_peakoiler » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 03:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'T')he German word for this practice is Wucher ...

§ 138 BGB
Sittenwidriges Rechtsgeschäft; Wucher
(1) Ein Rechtsgeschäft, das gegen die guten Sitten verstößt, ist nichtig.

(2) Nichtig ist insbesondere ein Rechtsgeschäft, durch das jemand unter Ausbeutung der Zwangslage, der Unerfahrenheit, des Mangels an Urteilsvermögen oder der erheblichen Willensschwäche eines anderen sich oder einem Dritten für eine Leistung Vermögensvorteile versprechen oder gewähren lässt, die in einem auffälligen Missverhältnis zu der Leistung stehen.


Danke für die Aufklärung, I did not know this (never confronted with) - a really interesting thing. How should one assess whether this auffällige Missverhältnis is really present? Probably it should be done by the judge?
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Doly » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 03:43:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sch_peakoiler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'T')he German word for this practice is Wucher ...

§ 138 BGB
Sittenwidriges Rechtsgeschäft; Wucher
(1) Ein Rechtsgeschäft, das gegen die guten Sitten verstößt, ist nichtig.

(2) Nichtig ist insbesondere ein Rechtsgeschäft, durch das jemand unter Ausbeutung der Zwangslage, der Unerfahrenheit, des Mangels an Urteilsvermögen oder der erheblichen Willensschwäche eines anderen sich oder einem Dritten für eine Leistung Vermögensvorteile versprechen oder gewähren lässt, die in einem auffälligen Missverhältnis zu der Leistung stehen.


Danke für die Aufklärung, I did not know this (never confronted with) - a really interesting thing. How should one assess whether this auffällige Missverhältnis is really present? Probably it should be done by the judge?


Hey, does any of you guys care translating for the rest? My German doens't go a lot further these days than "Ich habe ein Problem mit mein PC". At that point I pass the customer to one of the German techs.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 03:45:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sch_peakoiler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'T')he German word for this practice is Wucher ...

§ 138 BGB
Sittenwidriges Rechtsgeschäft; Wucher
(1) Ein Rechtsgeschäft, das gegen die guten Sitten verstößt, ist nichtig.

(2) Nichtig ist insbesondere ein Rechtsgeschäft, durch das jemand unter Ausbeutung der Zwangslage, der Unerfahrenheit, des Mangels an Urteilsvermögen oder der erheblichen Willensschwäche eines anderen sich oder einem Dritten für eine Leistung Vermögensvorteile versprechen oder gewähren lässt, die in einem auffälligen Missverhältnis zu der Leistung stehen.


Danke für die Aufklärung, I did not know this (never confronted with) - a really interesting thing. How should one assess whether this auffällige Missverhältnis is really present? Probably it should be done by the judge?


Here §138BGB in English:

Tranlation of the German law: § 138. [Legal transaction against public policy; usury]?(1) A legal transaction which is against public policy is void.?(2) A legal transaction is also void whereby a person exploiting the need, carelessness or inexperience of another, causes to be promised or granted to himself or to a third party in exchange for a performance, pecuniary advantages which exceed the value of the performance to such an extent that, under the circumstances, the pecuniary advantages are in obvious disproportion to the performance.

Sorry but I could not translate this excerpt of a judgement:

Auszug aus einem aktuellen Urteil:

Die objektiven Voraussetzungen des Wuchertatbestands seien gegeben, weil ein auffälliges Mißverhältnis zwischen Leistung und Gegenleistung darin bestehe, daß der Vertragszins des Darlehens mehr als doppelt so hoch wie der marktübliche Vergleichszins sei. Dabei könne für den Vertragszins der von der Beklagten im Darlehensvertrag angegebene anfängliche effektive Jahreszins von 15, 32 % als Mindestgröße zugrunde gelegt werden, obwohl seine Berechnung nicht nachvollziehbar sei und der tatsächliche anfängliche effektive Jahreszins im Hinblick auf die erforderliche Einbeziehung der Vermittlungsgebühr, auf die Darlehenslaufzeit von nur 21 Monaten sowie auf die zeitlich gestreckte Darlehensauszahlung deutlich höher liegen müsse. Auch ein Vertragszins von 15, 32 % sei nämlich mehr als doppelt so hoch wie der marktübliche Vergleichszins von 7, 63 %. Dieser Vergleichszins sei der im Monatsbericht der Deutschen Bundesbank vom Oktober 1994 für den September 1994 angegebene Durchschnittszinssatz für Hypothekarkredite auf Wohngrundstücke mit zweijähriger Zinsbindung. Der deutlich höhere Durchschnittszins für Ratenkredite komme hier wegen der grundpfandrechtlichen Absicherung des Darlehens als Vergleichsmaßstab nicht in Betracht. Auch der höhere Durchschnittszins von 7, 86 % für zweijährige Hypothekarkredite mit variablen Zinssätzen scheide als Vergleichsmaßstab aus, weil die Vertragsklausel über die Zinsanpassung hinsichtlich möglicher Zinssenkungen nicht mehr als eine bloße Absichtserklärung der Beklagten enthalte.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 05:10:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'h')as it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice.


And the spelling is appalling as well, its collapse, not colapse.

And you shouldn't start sentences with and.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Chuckmak » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 08:45:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'h')as it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice...in driving away those more modest folks with no time to spare for the vagaries of a style of innuendo so much the hallmark of the American idle these days......try toning down your posts and actually addressing the core issue.....whether peak oil is in fact taking place or not.


huh? what? you on that heron again? the hell? wtf?
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Heineken » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 09:06:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'h')as it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice.



And you shouldn't start sentences with and.


Just FYI: It's a myth, promulgated by inept lower-school English teachers, that sentences should never start with "and." Great literature (including the Bible, I believe) is replete with such sentences. (However, words referred to as words [such as "and" in your comment] should be in quotation marks or italics.)
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 09:23:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'h')as it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice.



And you shouldn't start sentences with and.


Just FYI: It's a myth that sentences should never start with "and." Great literature (including the Bible, I believe) is replete with such sentences. (However, words referred to as words [such as "and" in your comment] should be in quotation marks or italics.)


Unfortunately the print run of a book has no relation to it's literary quality. The bible is nothing more than a collection of badly written short stories.

Starting a sentence with "and" or any other of the 7 conjunctions is not an easy task. Most writers try to avoid it (not Micky Spillane as far as I remember ...) Starting a sentence with a conjunction would make ones writing thoroughly monotonous. And one would probably not want to use such a construction in very formal contexts.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby garyp » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 10:07:58

I've seen a programme with this name.

Those potentially interested in picking up this dvd/torrent should be aware that:

a) its old and quite a bit out of date. None of the actions of Dubya in giving tax cuts to the wealthy are here for example.

b) the last quarter is taken over by the god squad - trying to spread their message under the cover of a programme on finance :roll: . They don't seem to mention that those that can't balance a budget all claim to be good christians.

Probably worth missing, there are other books etc. that cover the US deficit and the consequences of the demographic timebomb in much greater detail; and without the overt indoctination message.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Heineken » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 13:31:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'h')as it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice.



And you shouldn't start sentences with and.


Just FYI: It's a myth that sentences should never start with "and." Great literature (including the Bible, I believe) is replete with such sentences. (However, words referred to as words [such as "and" in your comment] should be in quotation marks or italics.)


Unfortunately the print run of a book has no relation to it's literary quality. The bible is nothing more than a collection of badly written short stories.

Starting a sentence with "and" or any other of the 7 conjunctions is not an easy task. Most writers try to avoid it (not Micky Spillane as far as I remember ...) Starting a sentence with a conjunction would make ones writing thoroughly monotonous. And one would probably not want to use such a construction in very formal contexts.


You're wrong. Not just the Bible is full of such sentences, but plenty if not most of great modern literature, including the works of Hemingway. I have a B.A. in English, worked for 27 years as an editor, and hold an advanced certification in manuscript editing.

Here's one example, out of countless thousands, of a great author beginning a sentence with "and":

"And first, before we begin the history of life, let us tell something of the stage upon which our drama is put and of the background against which it is played."
-- H. G. Wells, Outline of History
first sentence of the entire book!

Using a conjunction at the start of the sentence may affect the meaning in a desired way or be done for emphasis or artistic effect (as, for example, in the works of Edgar Allan Poe ["And the life of the ebony clock went out with that of the last of the gay"]). Ain't NOTHING wrong with it, as long as it fits the situation! Of course, that's not to say that there are aren't plenty of sentences that should not begin with a conjunction. It all depends. But simply declaring that no sentence should begin with a conjunction is absurd.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but few if any of us schooled in this sort of esoterica would agree with it.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby MacG » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 13:41:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'h')as it ever occurred to anyone of you critters that all this "high brow" witticism does the objective of this site a huge disservice.



And you shouldn't start sentences with and.


Just FYI: It's a myth that sentences should never start with "and." Great literature (including the Bible, I believe) is replete with such sentences. (However, words referred to as words [such as "and" in your comment] should be in quotation marks or italics.)


Unfortunately the print run of a book has no relation to it's literary quality. The bible is nothing more than a collection of badly written short stories.

Starting a sentence with "and" or any other of the 7 conjunctions is not an easy task. Most writers try to avoid it (not Micky Spillane as far as I remember ...) Starting a sentence with a conjunction would make ones writing thoroughly monotonous. And one would probably not want to use such a construction in very formal contexts.


You're wrong. Not just the Bible is full of such sentences, but plenty if not most of great modern literature, including the works of Hemingway. I have a B.A. in English, worked for 27 years as an editor, and hold an advanced certification in manuscript editing.

Here's one example, out of countless thousands, of a great author beginning a sentence with "and":

"And first, before we begin the history of life, let us tell something of the stage upon which our drama is put and of the background against which it is played."
-- H. G. Wells, Outline of History
first sentence of the entire book!

Using a conjunction at the start of the sentence may affect the meaning in a desired way or be done for emphasis or artistic effect (as, for example, in the works of Edgar Allan Poe). Ain't NOTHING wrong with it, as long as it fits the situation!

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but few if any of us schooled in this sort of esoterica would agree with it.

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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 17:57:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('garyp', 'T')hey don't seem to mention that those that can't balance a budget all claim to be good christians.


...and are warmongers. Apparently following Christ's teachings is not required in order to call yourself Christian.
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Re: The Crash, The Coming Financial Colapse of America

Unread postby Lighthouse » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 21:29:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'G')ame, set and match.


I don't think so :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '.')..

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but few if any of us schooled in this sort of esoterica would agree with it.


Well, it seems that you should go back to school again.

You call yourself an experienced editor and you are unable to comprehend a couple of simple sentences?

Where did I say one should not start a sentence with one of the conjunctions?

As a matter of fact it was rogerhb who said that. And as far as I understand he meant it in a very sarcastic way.

But I said it's not an easy task and requires skill (which Spillane did not have — he got it wrong half of the time). And I said using this style of writing to often would make a text very monotonous. Again, it requires skill to use it.

I also said even the bible is literature, it's not well written and nothing more than a collection of short stories, a badly written anthology so to speak.

PS: I usually spend hours on skype discussing this crap with my editor, which is similar in German grammar. But I have to admit she is 85% right with her remarks...
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