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Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby NTBKtrader » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 16:33:22

WASHINGTON, July 8 — An unexpectedly steep rise in tax revenues from corporations and the wealthy is driving down the projected budget deficit this year, even though spending has climbed sharply because of the war in Iraq and the cost of hurricane relief.

On Tuesday, White House officials are expected to announce that the tax receipts will be about $250 billion above last year's levels and that the deficit will be about $100 billion less than what they projected six months ago. The rising tide in tax payments has been building for months, but the increased scale is surprising even seasoned budget analysts and making it easier for both the administration and Congress to finesse the big run-up in spending over the past year.

Tax revenues are climbing twice as fast as the administration predicted in February, so fast that the budget deficit could actually decline this year.

The main reason is a big spike in corporate tax receipts, which have nearly tripled since 2003, as well as what appears to be a big rise in individual taxes on stock market profits and executive bonuses.

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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby DantesPeak » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 16:42:42

The surge is real, lead in no small part to corporate profits -especially large energy companies. So it's somewhat ironic there are calls to tax large energy companies more because of high prices(smaller energy cos. with political friends still get generous tax beraks) - while there are no calls to increase capital gains taxes due to high prices on homes.

It's amazing to me that increases in marginal personal tax rates were successfully hidden from the public under the guise of a much trumpted one year tax reduction two years ago - to be followed by subseqeunt year tax increases.

You can fool most of the people most of the time, at least in the US, and mostly they will never realize it.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby lutherquick » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 18:13:46

It the liquidity of the dollar....
The dollar is going down because there so many of them...

High tax revenues don't equal high income if everything starts to inflate as it is.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby DigitalCubano » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 18:15:24

Somewhere, Arthur Laffer is cracking a smile...
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby Heineken » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 18:58:15

The budget deficit is just the visible, here-and-now tip of the iceberg. What ultimately matters is the national debt---the vast bulk of the iceberg itself---which continues to rise as fast as you can count by thousands, and is now about $8.4 trillion. As the debt and the interest on it continue to multiply, the US financial situation steadily worsens. I don't see any way out of it---do you?
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby DantesPeak » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 19:36:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'S')omewhere, Arthur Laffer is cracking a smile...


???

What is happening seems to be the reverse of what Laffer predicted.

Taxes collected are rising because of increased tax rates. Individual income taxes are rising as a per cent of GDP and capital gains cuts on individuals were offset by increasing corporate tax rates.

In fact, the whole future of the US budget depends on steadily increasing taxes as % of income. In the next ten years, income tax taxes will have to rise 50% to keep up with expected expenses.
And that's the official figure, so that's optimistic.

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/budproj.pdf
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby DigitalCubano » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 19:56:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'W')hat is happening seems to be the reverse of what Laffer predicted.


While the underlying factors are debateable, I think the Supply Side cheerleaders will beat their chest over this news. They will claim the tax cuts they pushed stimulated the economy, resulting in much of this new revenue.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby EnergyHog » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 21:54:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he budget deficit is just the visible, here-and-now tip of the iceberg. What ultimately matters is the national debt---the vast bulk of the iceberg itself---which continues to rise as fast as you can count by thousands, and is now about $8.4 trillion. As the debt and the interest on it continue to multiply, the US financial situation steadily worsens. I don't see any way out of it---do you?


Print more money.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby rwwff » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 22:20:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'W')hile the underlying factors are debateable, I think the Supply Side cheerleaders will beat their chest over this news. They will claim the tax cuts they pushed stimulated the economy, resulting in much of this new revenue.


Funny how this comes out like this just as election season is starting to warm up. Gonna be gravy time in November. This sucker is coming together like the perfectly orchestrated ballet that it is.

Gives me a feeling like teasing the cat with a catnip ball on a string. Watching the media and the democrats dance victory in July, only to be crushed in November.

Now don't yall wish Howard Dean was as smart as Carl Rove.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby sdcoyote » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 12:26:47

Announcements like this are pure BS.

BushCo has historically deliberately overstated the January estimates figures so that they can claim some sort of "victory" with their revised estimates.

http://nationaljournal.com/members/...dget/011706.htm

The Bush administration held a conference call with reporters last week to say that the 2006 deficit would be $400 billion or more. As the White House hoped, the media dutifully reported that number. But, as it almost certainly did not want, the media also reported that this latest Bush administration budget pronouncement should be treated with doubt, skepticism, and perhaps even outright contempt. The reason is that this president has a well-established history of overstating the deficit early in the year and then taking credit when it turns out to be lower than projected, even if it has done nothing to make that happen...
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby gnm » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 12:38:40

When you're stuck in a hole.... keep digging!

This is like saying, hey we only screwed our budget to the tune of 300bil, not the 400 we thought we would, we're doing great!

How TF is this good news?

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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby Pops » Tue 11 Jul 2006, 13:13:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sdcoyote', 'B')ushCo has historically deliberately overstated the January estimates figures so that they can claim some sort of "victory" with their revised estimates.


It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality control," they called it; in Newspeak, "doublethink." (1984)


<<Now don't yall wish Howard Dean was as smart as Carl Rove.>>

Yep.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby MrBill » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 02:54:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'S')omewhere, Arthur Laffer is cracking a smile...


It is too bad that his ideas have been hijacked and bastardized by those who think you can lower income taxes and run larger deficits at the sametime?

But his original ideas were and are sound. Lower taxes and simplify them and your collection rate will go up as your costs of collection decrease.

A lot of successful eastern European countries, new Europe, have been following his ideas and doing quite well thank you very much! While old Europe struggles with high unemployment and slow growth despite some of the highest taxes in the world!

It makes me smile to think some wealthy are moving their money to Russia because they have a flat rate on personal income tax of 13%. Who would have predicted that in the days of the evil empire? ; - ))
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby Kingcoal » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 10:47:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'S')omewhere, Arthur Laffer is cracking a smile...
It makes me smile to think some wealthy are moving their money to Russia because they have a flat rate on personal income tax of 13%. Who would have predicted that in the days of the evil empire? ; - ))


It's 13% today... Just wait until a bunch of suckers move there; hello 26%.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby sdcoyote » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 11:42:35

It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality control," they called it; in Newspeak, "doublethink." (1984)


Pops...

Reading that this morning actually sent a chill down my spine.

I think we have stepped over the cliff.
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Re: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Curbs U.S. Deficit

Postby TnAndy » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 22:39:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sdcoyote', 'A')nnouncements like this are pure BS.

BushCo has historically deliberately overstated the January estimates figures so that they can claim some sort of "victory" with their revised estimates.




While I totally agree they ARE pure BS, Clintoon did the same.....there are STILL folks running around claiming there was a 'surplus' in the 90's when in fact there was no such thing.

Study this website and you will see the last actual SURPLUS ( where you take in more revenue than you spend ) occured in the 50's.

You can also see that the current deficit for this year will probably end up in the 500-600 billion range, (since we are right at 500 billion for the year, and still couple months to go in the fiscal year ) far above the Washingtonspeak numbers.

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