[Waterthrush]

I just saw it today. Very impressive, very convincing. Those graphs that just lead up and up .... We have to do our part. The ending credits, where they (literally) spell out some measures we can take - they aren't anything outlandish. They are the same steps we need to take to deal with Peak Oil.

Gore was impassioned but soft spoken. I was particularly impressed when he says he continually tries to upgrade the slide show by including any new objections he hears raised. He has listened to his detractors and has answered them.

Sooner than we think, the majority of the rest of the world will start asking questions like why we think we in the US are privileged to burn fossil fuels at the rate we are doing. The past six years have significantly weakened the US, so we will not have much power to resist the demands to reduce our consumption that I believe will be coming down the road to us.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'T')he past six years have significantly weakened the US, so we will not have much power to resist the demands to reduce our consumption that I believe will be coming down the road to us.

[Waterthrush]

Rwwff, I have to disagree. I've read numerous articles about how quickly the US equipment in Iraq is deteriorating and how there are in fact shortages of various sorts there. We know that most of the National Guard equipment in areas hit by Katrina had been removed to Iraq. We know that much of the skilled manpower is all going to private contractors.

These articles are backed up by observations of other powers: Bush really doesn't intimidate anybody anymore. Russia has completely outplayed the US in Asia, China in Africa.

And by observations of the Bush administration as well: I read that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs basically told Bush we don't have the power to do much about Iran.

I repeat, the past six years have significantly weakened the US. We are seeing this in the behavior of other states, we are seeing it in the failure to maintain our victory in Afghanistan (my goodness, that one is hard to believe).

And I predict that we will see more consequences of these six years of growing weakness in the next two - the consequences are rolling in now and will continue. I expect to see higher and higher level denunciations of US consumption levels of fossil fuels.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'I') repeat, the past six years have significantly weakened the US. We are seeing this in the behavior of other states, we are seeing it in the failure to maintain our victory in Afghanistan (my goodness, that one is hard to believe).

[Revi]

The US is all about hard power now. Soft power and diplomacy are the way to go. Walk softly and carry a big stick. We are not playing with the rest of the world, so we run the risk of being cut out of it. Do you think the world is going to continue to give us 15 million barrels a day once they have to cut their own consumption? If the Chinese are willing to pay full price for it, and we are handing them our worthless scrip? Petrodollar recycling will hold us up for only a few more years. Then it's a very reduced lifestyle for us. What amazed me about Gore's talk is how far behind the rest of the world we are getting. Our cars are gas hogs and we have almost no solar nor wind happening. What are we thinking? Is there even a plan to get us beyond fossil fuel?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'R')wwff, I have to disagree. I've read numerous articles about how quickly the US equipment in Iraq is deteriorating and how there are in fact shortages of various sorts there. We know that most of the National Guard equipment in areas hit by Katrina had been removed to Iraq. We know that much of the skilled manpower is all going to private contractors.

These articles are backed up by observations of other powers: Bush really doesn't intimidate anybody anymore. Russia has completely outplayed the US in Asia, China in Africa.

And by observations of the Bush administration as well: I read that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs basically told Bush we don't have the power to do much about Iran.

I repeat, the past six years have significantly weakened the US. We are seeing this in the behavior of other states, we are seeing it in the failure to maintain our victory in Afghanistan (my goodness, that one is hard to believe).

And I predict that we will see more consequences of these six years of growing weakness in the next two - the consequences are rolling in now and will continue. I expect to see higher and higher level denunciations of US consumption levels of fossil fuels.

[rwwff]

So far as I can tell, the arabs are still accepting dollars for oil, and we still have easy control of Bagram, and the [name] permanent Iraqi bases.

As far as using troops to maintain order in the US, I suppose they could, but thats part of the issue of realignment that Rumsfeld has been after. Homeland defense and security is a "tail" operation. The whole idea is to have national guard folks doing these tail ops, and the regular army dealing strictly with the teeth side of the scale. Whether Rumsfeld succeeds in making the change near irreversable remains to be seen; but we won't really know until squeeze time.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hat amazed me about Gore's talk is how far behind the rest of the world we are getting. Our cars are gas hogs and we have almost no solar nor wind happening. What are we thinking? Is there even a plan to get us beyond fossil fuel?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '.')..we still have easy control of Bagram, and the [name] permanent Iraqi bases.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '.')..we still have easy control of Bagram, and the [name] permanent Iraqi bases.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')his strategy has given us at-will air domination of Iran, and until they can cook up a working nuke, they know they are absolutely helpless to do anything about it.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')his strategy has given us at-will air domination of Iran, and until they can cook up a working nuke, they know they are absolutely helpless to do anything about it.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'C')onsidering that most of Bush's and Cheney's buds draw royalty checks that are in large part dependent upon the price of oil.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'C')onsidering that most of Bush's and Cheney's buds draw royalty checks that are in large part dependent upon the price of oil.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')he way I look at it, you can be behind the bulldozer, or in front of it. I don't see anything noble in being in front of the bulldozer.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')he way I look at it, you can be behind the bulldozer, or in front of it. I don't see anything noble in being in front of the bulldozer.

[Revi]

Bulldozers run on oil too.

[Lore]

Back on track....

Deep into the political right camp.... HUMAN EVENTS.com

Check out the depth of the argument!.. No facts, pure political hip shots.

LINK

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'Y')ou don't know enough about any of the posters here in real life to be able to decide who's in front and who's not.

[Tuike]

The movie isn't shown at Finnish movie theaters, but I got my hands on the book version of the Inconvenient Truth. The matters about GW are displayed very clearly, with beautiful colour images. The text is straight to the point and in very easy to understand language, so you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on. In some pages Gore tells about himself but I found them boring and skipped them. I finished the book it in one evening. There isn't much to read as the book's pages are mostly covered by pictures and graphs. I liked it.