[pea-jay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', 'A')mericans have been voting with their dollars.....and they have voted themselves 80 million SUVs and a yearly production of 1,500,000 McMansions.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'I')n this case, the market could have done better. Or at least less damage.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'T')his thread = typical doomer horsesh*t.

[shortonoil]

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DigitalCubano said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his thread = typical doomer horsesh*t.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')'m an architecture undergrad and heading into a M.Arch/Urban Design program this fall at UT

[Whitefang]

We should learn to live with less instead more, no doubt about that. Consuming ourselves to death, like superbrain Spinoza and the like....ate himself to death......very stupid.

If we had 40 years....maybe we could arrange resources, set a limit to wealth, only a car when you need to transport heavy stuff, walk or cycle to work, public transport like trains to get to other cities, take the boat intercontinental like we used to do....
No washing machines, vacuum cleaners, just the needed.

We are way to late to stop this Titanic from hitting the ice, I used to think it might strand or that there would be plenty other ships around next morning....

I think no such luck for us, we'll have to do effort ourselves, erase your self pity or die, very simple.
Nature will teach us.

Now my best guess is that economy will flip with few years to go, then increasing trouble, some nuking, conventional wars and the civil world war be a fact. No city will be uneffected, no coastal area will be clear from waves when the storm hits full force.

Cities are lost, including the culture and land around it.
Leaves only few places on earth where we stand a chance.
From 7 Billion to hundreds of millions of humans in a decade of doom, hell on earth before we see the light again and are forced to change our lifestyle and ourselves.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')'m an architecture undergrad and heading into a M.Arch/Urban Design program this fall at UT

[mmasters]

Here's what I believe.

The markets wont be changing their ways. Within 5 years the beginning of the great collapse will be triggered in advance. Until then the elites of the world will continue to drive globalization as far as possible further marginalizing everything - thus making it easier to globally manage. And when the global financial system is fully integrated we will see the great global market crash or a series of crashes. The worlds stock exchanges are in the process of merging and being consolidated right now.

This is survival of the fittest with the global financial system and inside knowledge of peak oil as a medium to that goal. Put it this way, give another 30-50 years moving ahead like we are now and the human race will extinct itself through mass depletion. So better to wipe out the vast majority in advance, structure it so only the strongest, smartest and most adaptable survive. This will be the new work force.

In the process the elites take large scale control and ownership of all that's needed to survive nicely in the future and provide for future generations of them -- this is the supreme agenda. Whether it will work out that way remains to be seen but that is what I believe is "the grand plan".

[pea-jay]

Great schemes usually wind up grand disasters, if they are attempted at all. My money is still on an unplanned series of crashes, in part triggered/exacerbated by human involvment. We stumbled into globalized civilization, we'll stumble out as well.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I') know such a guy, who feeds himself for last 6 months well and in sustainable fashion despite of being only 6 months old.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'I')F WE LEFT IT TO THE "FREE MARKET"