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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby grabby » Wed 14 Jun 2006, 12:12:37

My bump. sorry
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby grabby » Wed 14 Jun 2006, 12:12:52

The leaders of a communist country have it better than any rich hollywood person here in the states.
they can do anything they want and they have all the money they want despite the country being poor.

same with communism. even though it si a sham, the leaders live the good life.
they will never change as long as they have a potential for being a leader.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby GreyZone » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 17:37:01

Richard Heinberg has written An Open Letter to Greg Palast. I commend him for his approach, sticking to the information he has, not resorting to name calling, and keeping the discussion civil. I don't expect Mr. Palast to recant his position but he might at least acknowledge that his prior writings were excessive and unwarranted.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 20:01:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GreyZone', 'R')ichard Heinberg has written An Open Letter to Greg Palast. I commend him for his approach, sticking to the information he has, not resorting to name calling, and keeping the discussion civil. I don't expect Mr. Palast to recant his position but he might at least acknowledge that his prior writings were excessive and unwarranted.


That's quite embarrassing for Heinberg to write that without apparently having carefully understood Palast's appendix entry called "Why Palast is Wrong: Return to Hubbert's Peak" and realized that it is a rebuttal to his earlier passages.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PALAST', 'B')ut Hubbert was also deadly right. We are indeed running out of oil

Palast does a very good job of making us think carefully about the issues. You can argue with the way he structured his book, by sticking in a "gotcha" disclaimer in the appendix, but it served its purpose of getting people worked up. Heinberg may want to issue a "never mind" at some point.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby TonyPrep » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 00:52:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', 'T')hat's quite embarrassing for Heinberg to write that without apparently having carefully understood Palast's appendix entry called "Why Palast is Wrong: Return to Hubbert's Peak" and realized that it is a rebuttal to his earlier passages.
I don't think so. Here are a couple of quotes from that so-called self-rebuttal:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'A')t low prices, there’s not much oil. As prices rise, so does supply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'I') fear that some may take my noting the super-abundance of oil remaining on the planet as approval for our using it.
He may accept the notion of peak oil but he doesn't appear to believe it's imminent and wants to wean people off oil for reasons other than its depletion.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 02:48:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', 'T')hat's quite embarrassing for Heinberg to write that without apparently having carefully understood Palast's appendix entry called "Why Palast is Wrong: Return to Hubbert's Peak" and realized that it is a rebuttal to his earlier passages.
I don't think so. Here are a couple of quotes from that so-called self-rebuttal:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'A')t low prices, there’s not much oil. As prices rise, so does supply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'I') fear that some may take my noting the super-abundance of oil remaining on the planet as approval for our using it.
He may accept the notion of peak oil but he doesn't appear to believe it's imminent and wants to wean people off oil for reasons other than its depletion.


I read that differently. There is also a super-abundance of gold in the world; it just turns out that most of it is buried under tons of rocks or ground up into dust and just about impossible to get at. Or that there is an abundance of helium left but it is diffused in our atmosphere. I think Palast is simply being a realist on these matters.

Contrast that to the extinction of species; no one claims that some thought-to-be extinct land species is buried somewhere under tons of dirt. When a species goes, it goes like .... pffft.

He is going after the distinction between peak oil (which he admits to agreeing with Hubbert) and the decline that occurs after (which he thinks is modulated by economics).
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby TonyPrep » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 05:23:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'H')ere are a couple of quotes from that so-called self-rebuttal:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'A')t low prices, there’s not much oil. As prices rise, so does supply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'I') fear that some may take my noting the super-abundance of oil remaining on the planet as approval for our using it.
I read that differently. There is also a super-abundance of gold in the world; it just turns out that most of it is buried under tons of rocks or ground up into dust and just about impossible to get at. Or that there is an abundance of helium left but it is diffused in our atmosphere. I think Palast is simply being a realist on these matters.
It's rather an odd way of stating it. Why say it's not an approval of using it, if he thinks it can't actually be used? And why talk of price rises increasing supply?

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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 09:51:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'H')ere are a couple of quotes from that so-called self-rebuttal:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'A')t low prices, there’s not much oil. As prices rise, so does supply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Palast', 'I') fear that some may take my noting the super-abundance of oil remaining on the planet as approval for our using it.
I read that differently. There is also a super-abundance of gold in the world; it just turns out that most of it is buried under tons of rocks or ground up into dust and just about impossible to get at. Or that there is an abundance of helium left but it is diffused in our atmosphere. I think Palast is simply being a realist on these matters.
It's rather an odd way of stating it. Why say it's not an approval of using it, if he thinks it can't actually be used? And why talk of price rises increasing supply?

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You have a point there. Apparently Palast studied economics in Milton Friedman's group at the U. of Chicago. Although I know he doesn't care for any of Uncle Miltie's politics, I have a feeling a lot of the economics mumbo-jumbo talk rubbed off on Palast. That last bit certainly does sound like economics carrot-leading-the-horse theorizing. Correlation does not lead to cause.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 08 Jul 2006, 13:07:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'P')alast is a reporter with an axe to grind. His latest conspiracy tale is that the Iraq invasion was done in order to keep Saddam from flooding the world with cheap oil and that Bush & co wanted to create an artificially tight supply in order to pad the wallets of big oil

Listen to this:
http://tinyurl.com/fmnqx

I think he is full of shit. His latest attack on peak oil probably is because it is inconvenient to his conspiracy theory about Bush trying to screw Joe Sixpack and make Exxon even more rich. It's populist propaganda.


Palast is simply illuminating the conspiratorial elements of price fixing and gouging, at the expense of the geological reality. In fact, the two work best in tandem. I wouldn't dismiss his point of view altogether.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 09 Jul 2006, 04:27:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '[')size=75]EDITED FOR GRAMMAR[/size]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'P')alast is a reporter with an axe to grind. His latest conspiracy tale is that the Iraq invasion was done in order to keep Saddam from flooding the world with cheap oil and that Bush & co wanted to create an artificially tight supply in order to pad the wallets of big oil

Listen to this:
http://tinyurl.com/fmnqx

I think he is full of shit. His latest attack on peak oil probably is because it is inconvenient to his conspiracy theory about Bush trying to screw Joe Sixpack and make Exxon even more rich. It's populist propaganda.


There is some truth to Palast theories, possibly.

His idea that peakers say "Bush invaded Iraq to get OUR oil for us" is a strawman argument. None of us are saying that because none of us is stupid enough to think Bush cares about anybody but his cronies.


I realise that I've logged on LONG after everyone else has ditched this issue, but here goes.



Thanks that was a great post ubercynicmeister :!:
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It takes a Heinberg to confront a Palast

Unread postby directinfo » Mon 10 Jul 2006, 06:36:39

Palast has been an excellent gonzo journalist on 911 and the Iraq War crimes, the rising Patriot Act Police State and the general New World Order stuff.

Greg is OK for the most part. He is a showman, and he got Peak Oil totally way wrong... and so what? That doesn't detract from his good work nor the fact that he sensationalizes his presentation. It takes a show to even catch 10 seconds of thought from the average American these days.

He is a part of the truth movement, with his left foot. And his right foot is in the counter-truth movement.

Is there really such a fine line between conspiracy theory and truth movement?

No.

But it takes a guy like Heinberg to get into the details without emotions, using his library of relevant facts and cool-headed approach.

I dare say that there is not but one Heinberg on the planet, and lucky for us, he took the time to hit Palast because I, like many others do respect Palast for his gonzo tactics against the doomsday war profiteer machine grinding away with resource wars and false flag "phony wars", as Matt Simmons calls them.

The truth movement is bigger than any of us can handle. So we have fragments out there really believing in their heart that they "got it".

It takes a guy like Heinberg to address the derailed gonzo anti-Peak Oilers like Alex Jones and Greg Palast and a number of others out there. There is a lot of division out there among otherwise good people with good hearts and the right intentions.

Three cheers for Heinberg!
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