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How Far the Mighty (US/USD) Have Fallen ...

Unread postby lowem » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 19:02:56

http://www.jroller.com/page/lowem/20041 ... ighty_have

How Far the Mighty Have Fallen

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Few people seem to recall that the U.S. was the Saudi Arabia of the world at one time producing more oil than any other country. At the beginning of the last century the U.S. was the greatest oil exporter in the world. 7 out of 8 barrels of oil used in the first and second world wars were U.S. oil barrels. The sale and use of oil is in large part how the U.S. became so rich and powerful. For decades the U.S. was the largest creditor nation in the world. U.S. money, "sound as the dollar", flooded into countries all over the world as investment capital and at home it allowed the U.S. to fund the greatest investment in pure research, technological advancement and military power that the world has ever seen.

How things have changed. Today the U.S. is both the largest importer of oil in the world as well as by far the largest debtor nation in the world. These two facts being not at all coincidental. It is very difficult for anyone to fully grasp the enormity of what "by far" means in the case of U.S. debt but let me try to give you an idea. The U.S. national debt is 7 trillion dollars, 13 trillion if you add State, municipal and consumer debt and 18 trillion if the Bush economic 'plan' is fully enacted. The entirety of the third world's debt is just about two trillion dollars. In other words the U.S. debt is many times the size of a debt that has been large enough to choke the economic life out of two-thirds of the world's people. Many of whom are being forced to try and get by on $1 a day ... [continued]

- Yes, indeed, how far the mighty have fallen. The common share of the United States of America, the US Dollar, has been dropping like a stone against the other major currencies in recent years. Refer to the 3-year chart above. USDX, the weighted US Dollar Index, was at 120 in 2002, and now it's at an ignominious 84. That's a 30% drop. What this means is, if you are holding US Dollars, or USD-denominated assets, every dollar you had back in 2002 is now worth just 70 cents.

And now for the usual "technical analysis" mumbo jumbo : the downside targets for the USDX are now 83.76, 79.86, and 73.55. Since the 84 level has been broken, the downtrend is likely to continue to the next lower target levels. A correction in the long-term secular trend has to break convincingly above 87 in order to stage a bear-market rally. In likelihood, however, USDX 84 which used to be support, may serve as a resistance level in the foreseeable future.

See also:

1. U.S. dollar hits all time low against euro
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Unread postby lowem » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 19:04:11

What is the US Dollar Index?
http://www.akmos.com/main/forex/usdx.html
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 19:46:05

Theres alot of facters of which none of us could cover everything at play. For one, how overinflated was the dollar from the 2k stock bubble? Are we seeing a loss in value, or a cooling and levelling from previous overstated worth?
Also, what affect would the falling dollar have on business. One advatnage is that it could potentially make our exports more desirable, while negatively afecting the EU's exports.
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Unread postby trespam » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 21:32:00

I'm reading on this topic right now:
http://www.stern.nyu.edu/globalmacro/cu ... y/cad.html

The above is a page full of references to newspaper articles and papers on the topic of the dollar.

In addition, checkout this analysis

I'm also looking at some of what this guy has to say on it:
twin deficit train wreck

It is issues like these that make my furious with the Bush administration. It's not a conservative versus liberal issue. Libertarians and fiscal conservatives are appalled at the mess BushCo is creating. They are very irresponsible. Ideology uber alles I guess. Even the Economist Magazine, a libertarian/conservative publication, endored Kerry. They considered Bush incompetent. They were right. Unfortunately, the American public, the ones refinancing their homes and sending the dollars overseas, the ones who think Iraq is a success: they voted for more of the same.
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The Rise and Fall of the Dollar, Chapter November 2004

Unread postby endoftheage » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 21:33:24

Lots of The Usual Peak Oil/Economic Crash Suspects believe that TSHTF for the American dollar (and ultimately, the world economy) next year. That's why I'm working to get out of debt THIS year. Better to be poor and debtless than poor and indebted!
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Re: The Rise and Fall of the Dollar, Chapter November 2004

Unread postby trespam » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 21:51:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('endoftheage', 'L')ots of The Usual Peak Oil/Economic Crash Suspects believe that TSHTF for the American dollar (and ultimately, the world economy) next year. That's why I'm working to get out of debt THIS year. Better to be poor and debtless than poor and indebted!


Getting out of debt is not bad. If the US starts inflating the dollar, then your debt decreases in real terms.

Mandelbrot has a new book out on financial instabilities. His thesis: Markets are more unstable and have more risks than people think. He analyzes markets and their behaviors.

I also recommend going through some of the following presentations: Prudent Bear Library as these presentations argue pretty strongly that fiscal imbalances are historically high and that the stock market is still historically overpriced. Yet even now at work I hear people say that 2005 will be a great year for the stock market. Maybe we'll squeak by another year. But I think the argument that we are in a multi-phase bear market is more accurate. So it's just a matter of when, not if.
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Unread postby Jack » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 22:21:10

I fully expect further declines; as Trespam points out, inflation aids the debtor. The greatest debtor in the world is the U.S. government, particularly when we consider the unfunded liability of Social Security.

The reported inflation rate, on which cost of living adjustments are made, is regarded by some as substantially understated. If we keep the COLA (cost of living adjustments) low, and inflation high, we reduce the size of the debt in terms of constant dollars. Further, inflation pushes taxpayers into higher brackets, which enhances tax revenues.

Then there is the advantage to the balance of trade.

All things considered, I suspect the present trend is intentional.

Given the size of our debts and other liabilities, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Euro at $2.00 eventually.
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Unread postby Guest » Tue 09 Nov 2004, 23:43:14

A good site for updated currency conversion : www.xe.com
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Unread postby lowem » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 03:59:14

The US has always been inflating the dollar, been doing so for years. The chart below tells the story :

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Stott's Law : The more of anything there is, the less they will be worth ...

And this is not counting the black & gray markets, counterfeit, drug money, blood money, money-laundering, and so on, there are already 9 trillion M3 dollars out there. Throw those odds and ends in, and it should be well over 10 trillion by now.

Not counting the various financial assets, bonds, debts, and derivatives too. These total into the hundreds of trillions.

If they keep up with the electronic printing presses thingy, we might need really those new-fangled AMD 64-bit CPU's to keep track of the figures ... :lol:

The chart is from this recent article by Jim Puplava :
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatc ... /1104.html

Which is a pretty good read too, by the way, though kind of lengthy.
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 17:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', '.')

If they keep up with the electronic printing presses thingy, we might need really those new-fangled AMD 64-bit CPU's to keep track of the figures ... :lol:



The new DUAL CORE Intel processors coming out in '05 are 64-bit as well... So beat that!

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Unread postby k_semler » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 17:40:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', 'f') they keep up with the electronic printing presses thingy, we might need really those new-fangled AMD 64-bit CPU's to keep track of the figures ...


Looks like I'm ready for that. AMD 64 3000+ w/ 1024 DDR RAM on an Epox 8KDA3J mobo here. :) Now just to upgrade my video card beyond a Geforce 4 440 MX. 8) Go figure, onboard gigabit LAN, and I connect at 28.8. :roll: I need fiber optics. Aluminum telephone lines are not the best for bandwith.
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Unread postby Kingcoal » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 17:44:12

We are witnessing history that’s for sure. The Euro is displacing the dollar abroad causing those dollars to pile up and ultimately return home, like salmon. The funny thing about the Euro is that it is also a fiat currency, derived from the Deutsche Mark, which was based on US dollar revenues!

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_04/wallenwein062904.html

I think that oil might soon be bartered for goods like medical supplies, cereal grains, etc.
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