Presidential power

by **OilsNotWell** » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 01:26:35

in a VA hospital, drinking coffee... As the 4th rolls around, think long and hard about 'freedom of speech'... Ever notice how no one says this is a 'free country' anymore?
I do.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')as This Country Gone Completely Insane? Getting Busted for Wearing a Peace T-Shirt By MIKE FERNER

Yesterday afternoon, drinking a cup of coffee while sitting in the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center on Chicago's south side, a Veterans Administration cop walked up to me and said, "OK, you've had your 15 minutes, it's time to go."

"Huh?", I asked intelligently, not quite sure what he was talking about.

"You can't be in here protesting," Officer Adkins said, pointing to my Veterans For Peace shirt.

"Well, I'm not protesting, I'm having a cup of coffee," I returned, thinking that logic would convince Adkins to go back to his earlier duties of guarding against serious terrorists.

Flipping his badge open, he said, "No, not with that shirt. You're protesting and you have to go."... http://www.counterpunch.org/ferner07012006.html

by **OilsNotWell** » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 02:13:09

Recommended reading:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Global Eye Insanity Defense By Chris Floyd Published: June 30, 2006

That the United States, once touted as the "world's greatest democracy," is now ruled by a presidential dictatorship is a fact beyond any serious dispute. Indeed, except for a bare majority on the Supreme Court -- which will disappear with the retirement or demise of the aging Justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the Court's stinging rejection of Bush's kangaroo military tribunals this week -- the nation's political establishment seems to have accepted this revolutionary system with remarkable docility, even as its lineaments are further exposed week by week. The Bush Administration no longer bothers to hide the novel theory of government upon which its rule is based, but declares it openly, in court, in Congress, everywhere...

The theory holds that the president has the arbitrary right to ignore any law that he feels is an unconstitutional infringement of his power -- and a law is automatically unconstitutional if the president feels it infringes on his power. This neatly squared circle makes Congress irrelevant and removes the judiciary from the loop altogether. Thus, the only effective instrument of power left in the land is the "unitary executive": the fancy modern name that the legal minions of President George W. Bush have given to the ancient concept of "tyranny."

The true nature of this presidential dictatorship has been laid bare in a harrowing new book from reporter Ron Suskind, "The One Percent Doctrine." Suskind, who once coaxed the regime's defining ethos from an arrogant Bushist -- "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality" -- paints a portrait of an administration drunk on lawless power, a junta operated from the shadows by the grim and literally heart-dead husk called Vice President Dick Cheney and his long-time companion in skulduggery, Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld.

...But perhaps the most revealing moment in Suskind's book is a brief vignette that captures the quintessence of Bush's callous disregard for the American people -- and the regime's strange, preternatural calm in the face of imminent attack. In August 2001, while Bush dawdled on his Texas dude ranch, the entire national security system was, in Tenet's words, "blinking red" in expectation of a major terrorist strike. On Aug. 6, a CIA official brought the infamous "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." memo to Crawford and read it out personally to the president. In response, he got nothing but a snide dismissal: "All right, you've covered your ass now."

That was it. Bush had nothing else to say about this stark threat of impending slaughter. He had no questions, no advice, no commands -- just smirking contempt. Even if we give Bush every benefit of the doubt, even if we put the most charitable construction possible on his behavior, the very best you could say of his reaction is that it represents a blood-curdling degree of depraved indifference and criminal negligence worthy of Nero.

Beyond this "best-case" scenario, you tumble into an abyss of ever-darker implications, a deep murk that may never be dispelled.

But what we know, what is plain as day, is bad enough: Tyranny has come -- aggressive, remorseless, murderous, mad.

by **SoothSayer** » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 05:07:36

Happens in the UK too ... the laws against normal people are getting tougher day by day - see here Girl_arrested

A girl was arrested for wearing her "Bollocks to Blair" T-shirt at the Midlands Game Fair last weekend. Charlotte Denis, 20, a gamekeeper from Gloucestershire, was stopped by police as she left the Countryside Alliance stand because of the "offensive" slogan.

Shocked and dismayed to be made a public spectacle, Denis tried to reason with the officers: "What do you want me to do? Take my top off and wear my bra?"

At this point, two officers marched Denis towards a police car. "They grabbed me as if I was a football hooligan," she says.

by **pedalling_faster** » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 07:25:09

reminds me of the thread about America becoming a Police State.

was Ocifer Adkins following his own instincts, or is this something his boss told him to do ?

and this is in CHICAGO - isn't Illinois a "blue" / democratic leaning state ?

has anybody done a "mash-up" of these incidents, showing, state-by-state, what's going on, first amendment wise ?

by **Kylon** » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 21:06:32

That's why we need to build Ocean Colonies,

The sooner we build Ocean Colonies, the sooner we acquire real freedom again, and the government probably wouldn't mind, due to the fact that we would be people who wouldn't support dictatorship, but would rather be leaving and not causing any problems whatsoever for the people in charge.

by **NEOPO** » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 23:55:48

This kind of thing is suppose to piss us off....

It works.....for me at least yet here we have the lowest offenses of a long line of much higher offenses that should really have us steaming...........and I am............

Shall we run away?
The foundation series suggests that weill continue as global parasites until nothing is left and sooner or later the system will implode upon itself and at that time we must be far away hidden somehow ;-)

Good luck with your undersea cities.....have you seen AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH yet?
Seems like all you will have to do is build a bubble around places like Miami and be patient...............yep...... just be patient.

Shall we fight???
Who wants to be a martyr amungst us?
Who wants to go first?

Most of us are not even capable of considering giving up our cars and our current wasteful way of life let alone making the ultimate sacrifice for a GOOD and JUST cause.

And if you do something it will just be squashed and made to seem like a terrorist act etc etc.

The only way to fight in my opinion is to powerdown.
Say no - be as sustainable as possible and by doing so you say NO to nuke - no to coal - no to oil and no to natural gas as much as possible.

Our dirty dollar is more powerful then a bullet or a bomb these days it seems.

No to war - raise children to be objectors to war - resist.

Fuck a boycott...that implies we will return to an activity when the price is right.
These activities are unsustainable and as far as GW is concerned JUST MAY KILL US ALL.

Wheres nancy reagan when we need her ?

I now feel very compelled to go find the GW/inconvenient truth thread and raise hell with the naysayers ...see ya!! ;-)

by **Kingcoal** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 21:35:56

A veteran is a person who has served their country in the military. When they joined the military, they took an oath; this oath is as follows:

"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States{{, the governor of the state of _______ (for National Guard enlistees)}} and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Believe it or not, when a person is discharged from the military, they ARE NOT discharged of all their duties. Being under oath to the US government, sitting in a federally owned and controlled building puts them under military law, which means, if this establishment has an ordinance against certain articles of clothing, AND the person violating the ordinance is a person UNDER OATH TO THE UNITED STATES, that person is now subject to whatever penalties there are, Constitution NONWITHSTANDING, end of story.

In the United States, you have the constitutionally guaranteed right to contract in an unlimited fashion. This person is under contract (oath) to the US and is in violation of that contract and may face penalties. If he doesn't like it, he shouldn’t have entered the military to begin with, or at least that is the military’s take on it.

by **presidentsherrill** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 21:53:13

Society is collapsing and our fellow country men as well as ourselves are to blame. In the last 60 years or more we have been witness to a government of the government and for the government immerge. We have seen near tyranical powers be taken by the executive branch in order to control not only thier own people but the people of other nations.

Any student of history knows that overtime, no matter how well meaning an idea or government starts out, in the end it is greed and lust of power that compels those in charge to ultimatly bring forth the distruction of the entity of which they are liege.

I put forth the US will fall and not far from now, but the question we have to ask ourselves is what will come of us and how will the fall begin and at what point will the fall end.

In the past the people took to the streets to protest, we would march on the whitehouse, take to the capitol... now we sit in virtual rooms and chat. The problem though is not so much those of us on peakoil.com it is those in the media whose slight comments can both infuriate us and pacify us... work for those that control the power and wealth. Spend time and watch your local news or CNN and tell me how many actual government related stories they pursue and then provide me a figure for how often the comments being made seem to NeoCon based and how often they actually comeout and really try to challenge those in charge.

What happened to that man was horrible, but far worse is coming

by **pedalling_faster** » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 13:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'T')hat's why we need to build Ocean Colonies,

by **Kylon** » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 13:17:23

The sociological tendency of all societies is to have more and more power/resources/wealth, in fewer and fewer hands.

Ultimately this leads to oligarchy and or/dictatorship.

Also, crisis breeds fear, fear empowers would-be-dictators, and Peak Oil is going to be a massive crisis.

Thus Peak Oil is going to empower would-be-dictators, as the sheeple will follow anyone who can offer them security in exchange for complete servitude(but they won't know it at the time).

Resistance against the government is futile, and waste of anyones effort, so don't get any bright ideas, because ultimately all you will be doing is giving the government more justification for brutal means of control and the loss of freedoms for the rest of us.

Ultimately, the best idea is just to build up resources, and evacuate. It helps us, and it helps the government. It gets rid of citizens who have dissenting opinions(as well as people they have to take care of), and it gives those citizens with dissenting opinions freedom to live lives of freedom. Everybody wins. Government wins, non-sheeple win. Both sides are happy.

Also, possibly, if you build an ocean colony, then the government might use your ocean colony as a military base of operations to setup bases near strategic resources, which would further give the government more incentive to let you leave.

Thus, that's the way to go.

by **Atlantean_Relic** » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 13:46:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', '
')Ultimately, the best idea is just to build up resources, and evacuate. It helps us, and it helps the government. It gets rid of citizens who have dissenting opinions(as well as people they have to take care of), and it gives those citizens with dissenting opinions freedom to live lives of freedom. Everybody wins. Government wins, non-sheeple win. Both sides are happy.

by **Kylon** » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 14:35:38

The construction of Ocean Colonies, that's where to go.

Basically ships on the water, near the equator(where there are few ocean storms), which use tidal energy and oceanic thermal differences between the bottom of the ocean and the top of the ocean as a power source.

I have a post on how to cheaply construct floating structures(basically an inflated plastic raft, with a layer of cement, and then another layer of plastic around it), so that you could build on that.

It could work,

And if constructing structures above the water doesn't work, if you can't adapt the environment to make it more livable for yourself, then perhaps you can adapt yourself to the environment.

Maybe a sort of permanent scuba diving gear that everyone always wears to either extract oxygen from the water or to store massive amounts of oxygen every time you revisit the surface.

The thing is, the alternative of living under a dictatorship, for anyone whose not a sheeple, is intolerable. The alternative of attacking the government, is useless, will hurt innocent people, will ultimately hurt other non-sheeple individuals as the government will justify the increase loss of freedoms, and the person attacking the government will live a life of constant fear of being hunted by the government.

In reality, the only option that offers any kind of quality of life is the option I'm proposing.

Oh another possible option, is deep sea drilling/mining of Ocean pluums(where the magma is hot), and then using the hot magma to construct hollow structures, which can then be built upon.

There are solutions, if your willing to look for them.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 15:40:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', '
')There are solutions, if your willing to look for them.

by **Kylon** » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 15:54:32

I also have multiple escape clauses, if Plan A doesn't work, I've got plan B(cryogenic freezing until life gets better(make even take tens of thousands of years)(it's been done in wolves, but I have ideas on how to do it better!)), and if plan B doesn't work, I've got plan C(which I'm not telling you what that is, as everybody would be doing it), and if Plan C doesn't work, I've got Plan D(which I also won't tell you for technical reasons), and then Plan E(which is basically some more of Plan A, but extreme adaptation to underwater environments, using a hybrid of biological material(so that it naturally repairs itself(with a little electromagnetic stimulation) and machinery, or conversly, living inside an enhanced cybernetic deep sea ocean creature, sort of as a symbiote to the sea creature, giving it advantages, especially with hunting, like the weapon I was talking about(it can be used for hunting, knocking out prey and the like).

Plan E is basically to grow, and inhabit a large whale type, and feed off the whale internally. The relationship wouldn't be completely parasitac, as the whale would be given advantages that it normally wouldn't have(like intelligent control of the whale so it avoids harsh regions of the ocean swarming with fishermen). The great thing about living in a whale(once you setup it's advantages) is it would take very little resources to maintain your environment. Whales also live(without medical intervention of any kind) 80-100 years on average. Meaning that by the time you die(if you were starting from birth) the whale would probably be ready to die as well. You'd probably die sooner than the whale do to the fact that you wouldn't have a whole lot of medical intervention.

Whales are mammals and are warm-blooded, and breath oxygen the same way we do.

The advantages I would give the whale from hunting alone, would more than give justification to my existence within the whale(the weapon I was talking about could be used for hunting, and could be attached to a whale, allowing the whale to easily kill it's prey, and eat it).

I could generate power for the whale via oceanic thermal differences between the ocean floor and higher levels, I could shoot down a tube all the way down there, and one nearly all the way up the surface, and use it to generate energy(meanwhile using a specially modified stirling engine(to heavily increase power output)) to produce huge quantities of power for myself and for my living environment.

Biological computers made of LBS animal neurons could be used for processing information, allowing me to still have access to processing/computers.

For manufacturing I could use layering manufacturing(which is being researched by both Hewlett Packard and a guy in London who has developed a basic replicator(I had the same idea many years ago, but didn't develop it, due to lack of resources, and the fact I figured out a potentially much better way to replicate things, but if that doesn't work, I'll be forced to rely on his tech)), to manufacture many different machines that I would need to use, to maintain my colony inside the whale.

Inside the whale I could grow lots of plankton to produce food and oxygen for the whale, as well as generate lots of power for various operations that would be needed, and many other functions(as well as the growth of certain organisms that would make the whale and I healthier), and I could use electromagnetic regeneration to enhance and regenerate the whale against the many damaging factors that the whale would/will suffer in this world(such as the use of sonar which blast out whales ear drums, or perhaps the immense amount of toxic metals which pollute and poison whales and whales livers and kidneys).

I could also construct ocean farms for plankton production for the whale.

The relationship would be symbiotic.

Lets see- Benefits to the whale

Manfuacturing,
Regeneration
Control/Guidance/Intelligence
Defense/hunting/offense
Energy production/food production
Oxygen Production
Life Extension
Protection

Benefits to me-

Food
Shelter/Habitat
Freedom
Protection
Environment

Use of the ability to construct various objects for whatever the whale needs(so long as the resources exist).

I think I'm going to repost this in another thread.

Ultimately, I have alot of backup plans.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 02:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'h')ttp://www.sealandgov.org/history.html

how many square feet do newcomers get ?

by **SoothSayer** » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 03:57:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'h')ttp://www.sealandgov.org/history.html

how many square feet do newcomers get ?

by **smallpoxgirl** » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 04:43:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'S')ealand looks a lot smaller than when it was built!

by **SoothSayer** » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 13:15:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'S')ealand looks a lot smaller than when it was built!