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Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 23:42:08

Britons Tire of Cruel, Vulgar US: Poll

For some reason the US ambassador was not happy...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith respect to the poll's assertions about American society, we bear some of the blame for not successfully communicating America's extraordinary dynamism
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 01:49:03

I cracked a joke in the Patriarchy and Matriarchy thread on soothsayer involving "manly Brits" and Wallace and Gromit. I got the impression he didn't find it amusing. Misunderstandings, Americans are misunderstood, that's all! :) Walt Whitman, one of our most famous poets wrote a poem about how we would spread democracy to the whole world out of idealistic "greed".
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Unread postby Doly » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 03:45:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'M')isunderstandings, Americans are misunderstood, that's all! :)


Sorry guys, you are not misunderstood. You are sincerely disliked. :razz:

I wonder why the Americans always assume they are fundamentally wonderful guys...
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 04:07:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'M')isunderstandings, Americans are misunderstood, that's all! :)


Sorry guys, you are not misunderstood. You are sincerely disliked. :razz:

I wonder why the Americans always assume they are fundamentally wonderful guys...
Well, you know how it is Doly, you have friends, and you have enemies. Some people like you and some people don't.
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Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 20:05:42

Why is it that if people don't buy an awful product it's considered a marketing problem?
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 20:17:24

It's the Fourth Of July and anyone who dislikes America and Americans can take their place in line and kiss my ass. (damn, I got a new computer and the emoticons don't work, why? the typesize doesn't respond either and you all are in tiny letters)
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Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 20:59:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t's the Fourth Of July and anyone who dislikes America and Americans can take their place in line and kiss my ass.


Ah, a nation that started out as terrorists, revolutionaries and law breakers...
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 21:29:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t's the Fourth Of July and anyone who dislikes America and Americans can take their place in line and kiss my ass.


Ah, a nation that started out as terrorists, revolutionaries and law breakers...
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Unread postby rwwff » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 21:39:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')h, a nation that started out as terrorists, revolutionaries and law breakers...


Yeah, and now we've got a few thousand nukes and bunch of cool rockets to play with! Not to mention the most hugest, awesomest, most professional military on the planet.

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Keep your eye on that grand old flag.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 21:49:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')Keep your eye on that grand old flag.
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I saw that story at energybulletin.net about the Army War College analysis of the situation. They were saying that the US Military needs to be used to safeguard the American economy, by securing oil sources. Just a matter of time it looks like. When the Big Bad Wolf of famine comes, make no mistake about it, the US military will move. The New York Times will be shut down and it's editors arrested.
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Unread postby rwwff » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:08:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he New York Times will be shut down and it's editors arrested.


Non sequitor. Military action is no longer dependent upon press acquiescence. The government's figured out they can get along just fine no matter what the NYT or any other newspaper prints. No one is going to silence speech, mostly because everyone is fully acclimated to hordes of protesters constantly whining about every issue on every side of every issue. Peak Oil or torturing Iraqi's is no different. Its a big yawn.

In other words, newspapers are irrelevant. Same with us. No one cares what we write. So relax, say what ever you want in the complete confidence that the powers that be are not only, not offended, but couldn't give a rats rear end who you are or what you write.

The NYT could run a headline:
Bush launches imperialistic resource war in the SudanAnd all you'd get is democrats going "see see", and republicans going, "typical left wing propaganda". And it would move NO ONE.
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Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:08:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') saw that story at energybulletin.net about the Army War College analysis of the situation. They were saying that the US Military needs to be used to safeguard the American economy


Interesting that the US army now advises the US gov on economic issues...., a continuation of "War is a racket".
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Unread postby Liamj » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:18:22

I don't see the NYT being shut down, its the limited hangout hangout. Whenever the White House has made so big an ass of itself that too many people are starting to notice, other forces usher the incumbents from the scene with broad hints and a few well chosen leaks/briefings/pointers to everybodies favourite liberal tinman.

I think rwwff is mostly right that leaders are apathetic about what we write, except if one were to gratuitously provide ammunition for their fear campaigns by talking up armed insurrection. I'd be surprised if there weren't a few perpetrators nervously reading certain online dot-connecting blogs and forums. Bet the IEA has a lawyer read ASPO's newsletters.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:32:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he New York Times will be shut down and it's editors arrested.


Non sequitor. Military action is no longer dependent upon press acquiescence. The government's figured out they can get along just fine no matter what the NYT or any other newspaper prints. No one is going to silence speech, mostly because everyone is fully acclimated to hordes of protesters constantly whining about every issue on every side of every issue. Peak Oil or torturing Iraqi's is no different. Its a big yawn.

In other words, newspapers are irrelevant. Same with us. No one cares what we write. So relax, say what ever you want in the complete confidence that the powers that be are not only, not offended, but couldn't give a rats rear end who you are or what you write.

The NYT could run a headline:
Bush launches imperialistic resource war in the SudanAnd all you'd get is democrats going "see see", and republicans going, "typical left wing propaganda". And it would move NO ONE.
I like you and I've thought similar things. But remember what happened way back when with the VietNam war? Public opinion is still supposed to matter in the US. The US chickened out then and the killing fields of Cambodia were the result. I'm with Walt Whitman and all American Patriots. I've read Catton and I know what a shitstorm is coming. God Bless the USA.
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Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:43:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'G')od Bless the USA.


Has it caught a cold?
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:45:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'G')od Bless the USA.


Has it caught a cold?
That's lame dude, you used to be funny. What happened to you?
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Unread postby rwwff » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 22:51:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'B')ut remember what happened way back when with the VietNam war? Public opinion is still supposed to matter in the US. The US chickened out then and the killing fields of Cambodia were the result. I'm with Walt Whitman and all American Patriots. I've read Catton and I know what a shitstorm is coming. God Bless the USA.


Ummm, thats when the lesson was learned. Vietnam and the follow on of watergate. What brought these guys down was not their policies but their reactions to what was in the press.

The lesson learned was this. Public opinion is meaningless. It matters on one day, every other year, and the press has negligible impact on what that one day number will be. Elections matters. Polls don't.

Bush has 30% approval, and couldn't care less. He steams straight on ahead on his "mission". His press secretaries have been deliberately and brutally rude to the press from day one. His approach to things of arguable legalality isn't denial, its "you bet we did that, and here's why we think its legal." When they lose in court, they shrug their shoulders, pick another policy, and cry "talley ho!" When, as more often happens, those opposed weigh the risks of losing in the conservative supreme court and thus choose not to forcefully pursue the issue, the white house quietly smiles and executes their imperialist policy unhindered.

And before you guys on the left get to excited about those polls, I'll tell you a secret. There is a fairly sizeable group on the right, that is far to the right of Bush; and they wouldn't have approved of the president's job unless he turned Bagdad and Tehran into unihabiltable, burned out craters. That 30% doesn't equate to 30% right, 70% left. It equates to 20% far right, 30% right, 50% left; just like its been for almost a decade now. For those of us on the far right, put simply, Bush spends too much money and doesn't blow up enough stuff.

Edit: fixed loosing -> losing I Plead: Dain Bramage.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 23:19:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')For those of us on the far right, put simply, Bush spends too much money and doesn't blow up enough stuff.
I like Bush but I think that the consensus is that that the US needs to borrow and spend because if it doesn't it will all fall apart. The whole global thing will crash and burn. Of course, ir's going to crash and burn anyway.
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Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 23:32:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'G')od Bless the USA.


Has it caught a cold?
That's lame dude, you used to be funny. What happened to you?


Which particular god is supposed to bless the US? God of the the selfish? God of the ignorant? God of the small minded? You seem to be particularly well blessed by those.
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Unread postby rwwff » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 23:38:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'W')hich particular god is supposed to bless the US? God of the the selfish? God of the ignorant? God of the small minded? You seem to be particularly well blessed by those.


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