[SolarDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frank', 'B')ig capacitors are starting to be used in real-world: Maxwell is supplying some to power hybrid buses somewhere in California. Great application for a heavy hybrid with lots of energy to be converted/stored quickly.

[realeyz]

I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere but I came across this article last week and it sounds very similar to what this start-up is doing with capicitor technology applied to battery technology:

http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/vi ... =218392803

The biggest question I always have when doubting any news of new breakthrough technology isn't whether or not it will become widespread and cheaply implemented into most of our lives, but when it DOES innevitably disappear like so many others in the past, was it because it really wasn't viable for some reason or was it acquired and supressed by government, corporations or the like protecting their empires from collapse due to obsolescence?

- todd
- portland

[Mesuge]

Did a thorough google check on the EEStor thingy and it seems to have great potential in the last patent revision they mention it could be 52kWh in 280pounds/130kg.

If you place it in UL EV such as Loremo you will get:
52kWh/ (70Wh/km) = 742km range per one charge

Now, 50kW fast chargers from Magne Charge used to be in Calif/Arizona so you can recharge it under 10minutes from flat. Obviously better for grid would be slower 6kW over night charge..

What is kind of weird is that they have exclusive agreement with Zenn(Feel Good Cars Inc), which is a small NEV company in Canada to supply them with 15kWh system. I'd think that they could strike an agreement with any big automanuf. so just this is very odd..
http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=com ... 11610&url=

Moreover, the potential for energy storage from home renewable
appliances like small solar/wind/hydro is enormous and very disruptive. Imagine you can buy few of these 52kWh puppies and wind generators/solar/hydro generators and run into the woods, basically enabling parallel commune existence on the current political-economic system. That's a no go for the establishment #1..

==> if legit very disruptive technology to the status quo
==> so it might end up in the vaults for a few more decades, there is a lot of oil to be burned in ICEs

So I'm firstly a bit sceptical of its existence and secondly highly sceptical about its proliferation into masses.. It's like selling armed nukes in your local Safeway store, very unlikely to happen..

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', '
')==> if legit very disruptive technology to the status quo
==> so it might end up in the vaults for a few more decades, there is a lot of oil to be burned in ICEs

[Mesuge]

? You mean like the Ovonics NiMh batteries patents stolen by Chevron so there are no affordable EVs or plugin hybrids on the roads..

I'm affraid you don't understand the monopolistic economy also known as the "free market"..

[BigTex]

Before you dismiss it, check it out: link

Company called EEStor in Austin, Texas. Google EEStor and ultracapacitor. Product looks to be about 10 times more efficient than lead acid batteries.

This technology is a lot more interesting than most alternative energy solutions. Think about it before you say it won't work and can't be scaled to replace fossil fuel dependent systems.

[EndOfSewers]

And the energy stored in those ultracapacitors will come from . . . ?

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndOfSewers', 'A')nd the energy stored in those ultracapacitors will come from . . . ?

[Mesuge]

Even if this technology is legit the company has been already coopted by Borgs. For instance people like the infamous traitor Colin Powell sit on their board..

So by 2015 you might see it in tanks and 2030 maybe in your car..

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') don't know anything about capacitors but it would appear that a long-storage device would be the holy-grail of the electric car industry, alleviating the shortcoming of chemical batteries--wear and disposal, cold temperature weakness, long charging etc.

[FireJack]

Its very nice but how exactly are these ultracapaciters going to save us?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FireJack', 'I')ts very nice but how exactly are these ultracapaciters going to save us?

[BigTex]

Note that the company is keeping a low profile, no website, no wild claims. The only public information is based upon the patent application describing how the energy storage device works. It may not deliver what it suggests but I am interested in seeing what they are able to bring to market (as I'm sure you all are).

I like that there is not a lot of stupid hype like we've been hearing about hydrogen.

[Kingcoal]

Actually, the ability to store large amounts of electricity indefinately would absolutely save us. Electricity really only has one drawback, the ability to store it without significant losses. Electric devices are very efficient (electric heaters are 100% efficient) and it is a form of energy that is very easy to control when put to work.

At night, generators are spinning free, with very little load. If we could store all that electricity generated (and lost) at night, we could use it to power our cars, etc. The efficiency of electric devices is astonding. Most electric motors are well in exess of 90%. Compare that to an internal combustion engine which is somewhere between 20%-35%.

But, allas, we need a working prototype of this technology which can be peer reviewed.

[NEOPO]

I dont think I want "saved" anymore.

Saved for what?

So we can go on fucking up everything else?

So we can perpetrate lies and war further?

So we can enslave more with our greedy ways and means?

So we can convince another generation to kill the thing which brings them life - the environment.....

Yeah......save yourself.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') dont think I want "saved" anymore.

Saved for what?

So we can go on fucking up everything else?

So we can perpetrate lies and war further?

So we can enslave more with our greedy ways and means?

So we can convince another generation to kill the thing which brings them life - the environment.....

Yeah......save yourself.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'S')aved for what?
So we can go on fucking up everything else?

[lowem]

BMW X5 hybrid, ultracapacitor-equipped, produces a massive 1000 Nm of torque for 7 seconds when fully charged up :

1000 Nm BMW X5 hybrid
http://www.jroller.com/page/lowem/20040 ... _x5_hybrid

But - it's a prototype, the story is dated April 2004 and I haven't really heard anything on that since.