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Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 03:04:07

Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ortunately, there is a consensus emerging among scientists on the broad outlines of the changes needed. If economic progress is to be sustained, we need to replace the fossil-fuel-based, automobile-centered, throwaway economy with a new economic model. Instead of being based on fossil fuels, the new economy will be powered by abundant sources of renewable energy: wind, solar, geothermal, hydropower, and biofuels.

The throwaway economy will be replaced by a comprehensive reuse/recycle economy. Consumer products from cars to computers will be designed so that they can be disassembled into their component parts and completelyrecycled. Throwaway products such as single-use beverage containers will be phased out.


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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 03:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ortunately, there is a consensus emerging among scientists on the broad outlines of the changes needed. If economic progress is to be sustained, we need to replace the fossil-fuel-based, automobile-centered, throwaway economy with a new economic model. Instead of being based on fossil fuels, the new economy will be powered by abundant sources of renewable energy: wind, solar, geothermal, hydropower, and biofuels.

The throwaway economy will be replaced by a comprehensive reuse/recycle economy. Consumer products from cars to computers will be designed so that they can be disassembled into their component parts and completelyrecycled. Throwaway products such as single-use beverage containers will be phased out.


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*Grim Snicker*

We are on the path of business as usual. There is nothing gonna stop this train, except when what we all know as "the economy" goes over the precipice, more commonly known as when TSHTF.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby gego » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 05:42:38

Seems to me that it is a little out of proportion to wait till the 11th hour and then consider changing our spendthrift habits. I think most changes at this point are just too little, too late.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Liamj » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 08:28:15

No matter how grim your fears, there is no hard landing that wouldn't be tempered by any and all wise preparations at scales larger than just you.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 08:44:05

When TSHTF our salvation will be life by a thousand cuts large & small. Maybe we'll even find it at the back of a dairy cow?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a sense, it is the ultimate renewable source of fuel. Weather anomalies can kill off corn crops, calm the winds, obscure the sun — but through rain or shine, gusts or stillness, cows and hogs and turkeys spew forth a steady stream of manure, one of nature's richest sources of methane, a principal component of natural gas.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 08:55:17

"If economic progress is to be sustained" is an eye-opening phrase, since to an economist, economic progress can mean only one thing: economic growth. To me this reveals where the disappointing Lester Brown is really coming from.

Overall, just more saccharine, goofy enviro-econo-optimism.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby TheTurtle » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 09:03:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Overall, just more saccharine, goofy enviro-econo-optimism.


Yep! Infinite growth in a world of finite resources is a losing proposition no matter how it is disquised. :cry:
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 04 Jul 2006, 09:09:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Overall, just more saccharine, goofy enviro-econo-optimism.


Yep! Infinite growth in a world of finite resources is a losing proposition no matter how it is disquised. :cry:


"Sustainable growth" is another nonsensical term bandied about by some.

Growth itself is the Great Satan.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Concerned » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 05:14:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Overall, just more saccharine, goofy enviro-econo-optimism.


Yep! Infinite growth in a world of finite resources is a losing proposition no matter how it is disquised. :cry:


"Sustainable growth" is another nonsensical term bandied about by some.

Growth itself is the Great Satan.


LOL yeah I love the "sustainable growth" especially from the green crowd :)

Bring it on :twisted:
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Doly » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 05:18:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')"Sustainable growth" is another nonsensical term bandied about by some.


Theoretically, at least, the economy could grow only in the service sector. So "sustainable economic growth" is possible in theory. A different question is if it is possible in practice. And another one if anybody is going to want to have an economy that is anything like the current one after this one crashes.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 07:06:56

Doly wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')heoretically, at least, the economy could grow only in the service sector. So "sustainable economic growth" is possible in theory. A different question is if it is possible in practice. And another one if anybody is going to want to have an economy that is anything like the current one after this one crashes.


You know what happened to all the service sector people in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. They were sent off on a spaceship programmed to crashland on earth.

"The economy" is now my most hated 2 words. I have watched over the last 15 years, as the land where I live turned from a country and a culture into an economy. In a country of 4 million the government talk of bringing in 1 million immigrant workers over the next ten years to maintain the economy.

"The years have made me bitter,
The gargles dimmed me brain,
And Dublin keeps on changing,
And nothing stays the same,
The Piller and the Met have gone,
The Royal long since pulled down,
As the grey unyielding concrete,
Makes a city of my town".

F..k the economy, f..k growth - its a cancer.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby TheTurtle » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 09:31:28

I feel your pain, Madpaddy. :cry:
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 10:57:46

Thanks Turtle,

This is one guy who can see some of the upsides of peak oil.
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Re: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress

Unread postby gnm » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 11:14:55

Backslaps and beers all around... I've had a front row seat to the cancer of growth in the SW States, I watched Phoenix quadruple and absorb the small towns and orange groves into one endless sea of suburban cracker boxes, I watched Denver swell and absorb the wheat fields and creeks where I once played, and I am watching as the tide of suburbia splashes right up to the very mountains here in NM..

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