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Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 2006

Unread postby robski » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 12:15:05

http://beyondpeak.org/files/SEF06_Tainter.MP3

This is a really good, short, presentation with a good Q & A.

Tainter thinks that any chance we have of making a successful transition to a lower net energy future is being pissed away by the current dysfunctional level of political life, setting us up for “catastrophic change”.

The overall impression I got is that Tainter doesn’t think we heave the leadership to get out of this one.
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby SoothSayer » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 12:55:39

A good find - thanks.

It's nice to hear a bright person speak!


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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby SoothSayer » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 13:12:08

Hmm - he didn't really answer that key question a few seconds from the end .... :(
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby lateStarter » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 14:21:06

SoothSayer,

I wish you hadn't put that picture of Tainter up... I was about to begin reading some of his 'stuff', but I have a strong aversion to fat, double-chinned guys with ties.
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby MacG » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 14:24:46

A good one. Thanks.
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 14:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'S')oothSayer,

I wish you hadn't put that picture of Tainter up... I was about to begin reading some of his 'stuff', but I have a strong aversion to fat, double-chinned guys with ties.


Why would that be?

Are you unable to evaluate a discussion or argument simply because the messenger has a certain "look"?
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 15:11:24

robski said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ainter thinks that any chance we have of making a successful transition to a lower net energy future is being pissed away by the current dysfunctional level of political life, setting us up for “catastrophic change”.


Definitely have to agree with him. My experience, with several branches of the Federal Government, has been one of vile, corrupt, special interest group control thugs, with a handful of frustrated, powerless and honest American’s thrown in to improve the verisimilitude of the situation. We might as well pray to the tooth fairy as to cast our hopes on Washington!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') wish you hadn't put that picture of Tainter up... I was about to begin reading some of his 'stuff', but I have a strong aversion to fat, double-chinned guys with ties.


Your from Poland? Is that part of Russia or is it Slavic? Heard any good light bulb jokes lately?

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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby lateStarter » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 15:16:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'S')oothSayer,

I wish you hadn't put that picture of Tainter up... I was about to begin reading some of his 'stuff', but I have a strong aversion to fat, double-chinned guys with ties.


Why would that be?

Are you unable to evaluate a discussion or argument simply because the messenger has a certain "look"?


Doh!!! Forgot to add the 'sarcastic', 'just-joking' emoticon for you... BTW, are you a fat-double-chinned guy with a tie? If so, sorry if I stepped on your toes... Guess I'm just walking proof of the failings of our 'talking-head' visual age. But seriously, I do have a problem with fat-double-chinned guys taking about die-off... On the other hand, I will do my homework, and try to find out a bit more about the guy. From everything I read about his writings in the past, he sounds like my kinda guy...
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby lateStarter » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 15:28:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]robski said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ainter thinks that any chance we have of making a successful transition to a lower net energy future is being pissed away by the current dysfunctional level of political life, setting us up for “catastrophic change”.


Definitely have to agree with him. My experience, with several branches of the Federal Government, has been one of vile, corrupt, special interest group control thugs, with a handful of frustrated, powerless and honest American’s thrown in to improve the verisimilitude of the situation. We might as well pray to the tooth fairy as to cast our hopes on Washington!

lateStarte said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') wish you hadn't put that picture of Tainter up... I was about to begin reading some of his 'stuff', but I have a strong aversion to fat, double-chinned guys with ties.


Your from Poland? Is that part of Russia or is it Slavic? Heard any good light bulb jokes lately?

Actually, I am from the states. And I agree with what you said 110%. That is why I am not in the US of A anymore.

Haven't heard any good light bulb jokes since the 70's... Good luck on the food thing in a few years!

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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby lateStarter » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 17:26:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]robski said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ainter thinks that any chance we have of making a successful transition to a lower net energy future is being pissed away by the current dysfunctional level of political life, setting us up for “catastrophic change”.


Definitely have to agree with him. My experience, with several branches of the Federal Government, has been one of vile, corrupt, special interest group control thugs, with a handful of frustrated, powerless and honest American’s thrown in to improve the verisimilitude of the situation. We might as well pray to the tooth fairy as to cast our hopes on Washington!

lateStarte said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') wish you hadn't put that picture of Tainter up... I was about to begin reading some of his 'stuff', but I have a strong aversion to fat, double-chinned guys with ties.


Your from Poland? Is that part of Russia or is it Slavic? Heard any good light bulb jokes lately?

Actually, I am from the states. And I agree with what you said 110%. That is why I am not in the US of A anymore.

Haven't heard any good light bulb jokes since the 70's... Good luck on the food thing in a few years!

"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value: zero." --Voltaire


Nice try... Unfortunately you (or someone else) didn't spell 'lateStarter' correctly. I don't think 'lateStarte' is the same unless you are French. Maybe it was just a technical hiccup.
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Re: Energy Gain & Social Organization: Joseph Tainter 20

Unread postby Concerned » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 05:53:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '
')Doh!!! Forgot to add the 'sarcastic', 'just-joking' emoticon for you... BTW, are you a fat-double-chinned guy with a tie? If so, sorry if I stepped on your toes... Guess I'm just walking proof of the failings of our 'talking-head' visual age. But seriously, I do have a problem with fat-double-chinned guys taking about die-off... On the other hand, I will do my homework, and try to find out a bit more about the guy. From everything I read about his writings in the past, he sounds like my kinda guy...


Nah Im neither fat or double-chinned. I have a bit of middle age paunch, that disappears if I work out.

LMAO that line I higlighted is just too funny.
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