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Re: Hemp to replace crude oil?

Unread postby What2DO » Sat 22 Apr 2006, 02:41:41

Lighthouse,

What is the difference between hemp and marijuana ?
THC levels perhaps you know that part of the plant that makes you stoned.
Hemp has such a low level of it you would have to smoke so much you would get sick before you got stoned.
If you as so many other beleive this is just a way to legalize marijuana you are wrong.
marijuana is so available in the usa its laughable to say its even illegal or I should say just on paper anyways.

Next please :)
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Re: Hemp to replace crude oil?

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 22 Apr 2006, 02:54:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', 'L')ighthouse,

What is the difference between hemp and marijuana ?
THC levels perhaps you know that part of the plant that makes you stoned.
Hemp has such a low level of it you would have to smoke so much you would get sick before you got stoned.
If you as so many other beleive this is just a way to legalize marijuana you are wrong.
marijuana is so available in the usa its laughable to say its even illegal or I should say just on paper anyways.

Next please :)


You are right saying the hemp itself contains little or no THC. Hemp is the fiber from the stems. However, in order to get the stem fiber, you have to grow the whole plant. You can have the stems, I'll take the rest :P
Just to avoid any misunderstanding: I'm very cynical by nature.
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Re: Hemp to replace crude oil?

Unread postby Aqua » Sat 22 Apr 2006, 06:01:51

Actually there are many different strains of hemp and not all get you stoned, farmers in Canada can grow industrial hemp under license.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/87.html

You could smoke a bucket full of flowering tops from this stuff and get nothing more than a sore throat and aching head. Besides the usefulness of the fibres it also yields high quantities of biofuel from the seeds, very useful plant is cannabis.
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Re: Hemp to replace crude oil?

Unread postby skeptic » Sat 22 Apr 2006, 07:03:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', '.').. btw do you want to get stoned ? ...

try again ok :)


What kind of question is that?

Always looking for an excuse to plant hemp. hm?

"Sorry officer, you are confiscating my biodiesel supply for the next two years ..." :-D


Industrial hemp, as widely grown in the EU is not the same as mariajuana.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'Y')ou can have the stems, I'll take the rest


Wouldn't do you any good. You'd have to smoke a field of industrial hemp to get high and would be dead from Carbon Monoxide poisoning before you even got close.

Look inside the door panels of your expensive BMW and you will find sound deadening material made from Hemp. It also makes a cool fabric ( I have a couple of hemp shirts myself) and a tasty beer, amongst a zillion and one other products, including bioplastics. Theres one manufacturer out there using Hemp to manufacture the trays which go in CD jewel boxes.

For some strange reason which I cant understand there is STILL a totally illogical ban on the growing of industrial hemp in the USA. The original ban resulted from a scare worked up by William Randolph Hearst in his newspapers, who saw paper made from Hemp as a potential threat to his forestry holdings.

http://www.reefermadness.org/propaganda/essay.html

As an oil replacement the normal objections apply, like - wheres the spare planet needed? Also Industrial Hemp needs irrigation in low rainfall areas, which could be a problem where fossil water is mined from aquifers nearing exhaustion.
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Re: Hemp to replace crude oil?

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 22 Apr 2006, 08:49:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', '
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Industrial hemp, as widely grown in the EU is not the same as mariajuana.


As I said I was quite cynical about that. I am a Austrian Author/Journalist living in Australia (Sunshine Coast). I was stunned about the ignorance against hemp over here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', '
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Wouldn't do you any good. You'd have to smoke a field of industrial hemp to get high and would be dead from Carbon Monoxide poisoning before you even got close.


I don't smoke, hate the taste, but I love cookies and brownies. (No CO or CO2) :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', 'L')ook inside the door panels of your expensive BMW and you will find sound deadening material made from Hemp.


Daewoo Lanos no BMW. But there are hemp products in this one too 8)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', 'I')t also makes a cool fabric ( I have a couple of hemp shirts myself) and a tasty beer, amongst a zillion and one other products, including bioplastics. Theres one manufacturer out there using Hemp to manufacture the trays which go in CD jewel boxes.


Not to mention the bullet proof west made out of hemp.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', 'F')or some strange reason which I cant understand there is STILL a totally illogical ban on the growing of industrial hemp in the USA. The original ban resulted from a scare worked up by William Randolph Hearst in his newspapers, who saw paper made from Hemp as a potential threat to his forestry holdings.

http://www.reefermadness.org/propaganda/essay.html

As an oil replacement the normal objections apply, like - wheres the spare planet needed? Also Industrial Hemp needs irrigation in low rainfall areas, which could be a problem where fossil water is mined from aquifers nearing exhaustion.

Could not agree more. Yeah, and then even cannabis is not that bad. It has some useful applications. But don't get me started on that one ...
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Re: Hemp to replace crude oil?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sat 22 Apr 2006, 09:59:41

do a web search on "antineoplastic properties of cannabis"

in a study at a university in virginia, they found that marijuana is a partial cure for cancer - in about 1975.

the article was expunged from med school textbooks. it came up for review in about 1983 (an 8 year cycle) and was re-expunged.

it (the article) is available in some other countries, like Canada.
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Hemp for Victory

Unread postby ipWinston » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 03:52:49

I have no idea whether this topic has been discussed on this board or not, but while web browsing i stumbled upon what seems to be an economicaly viable renewable resource. You really have to read it to beleive it. Hemp Oil eh?

It is the ethanol arguement with a spin. Together with other renewable resources, this may be a way to combat the coming enery crisis,but try to convince that to the American public. Maybe we should take a cue from good ol' American propaganda Hemp for Victory
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby dooberheim » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 05:05:15

A lot of this debate is really an effort to legalize marijuana. I don't really care one way or another about that. But if you want to grow crops for oil, there are better ones - palm and canola, for example. I think hemp monoculture would be just as depleting as any oil crop - correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby MC2 » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 06:18:18

Everything old is new again...

As we "progress" toward the stone-age systems we grew out of, we will re-discover such technologies as hemp rope for the rigging in our watercraft.

That video was pretty interesting, thanks for posting!
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby Fergus » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 10:55:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'E')verything old is new again...

As we "progress" toward the stone-age systems we grew out of, we will re-discover such technologies as hemp rope for the rigging in our watercraft.

That video was pretty interesting, thanks for posting!


Good way to stay stoned too during the real bad times. If you cant lick em, smoke dope and forget em. Thats the ticket.
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 14:09:41

Geesh....Get some ejamacation will ya? ;-)

wiki nylon

wiki hemp

marijauna and the human brain

Tired of repeating myself!!! Tired of it I say!! ;-)

Hemp is a no-brainer but of course we have no brains thus we have no hemp.

If the masses understood that marijauna should not be classified as a scheduled drug according to FDA criteria then we could get over our idiotic phobia and proceed with something very sustainable...............ah well.
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby hopeless » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 19:04:34

Industrial hemp is completely different from marijuana. You would have to smoke a joint about the size of a tree to get even a head change from hemp. so, no, its not about legalizing marijuana.

Besides being basically the most nutritious food on the planet, hemp has a whole range of valuable uses besides fuel (it will never replace oil). Hemp will be one of the most useful crops for communities to grow when peak oil hits the fan.
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby greenworm » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 21:23:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think hemp monoculture would be just as depleting as any oil crop


If you mean depletion of the soil, no.
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby ipWinston » Sat 01 Jul 2006, 23:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'H')emp will deplete the soil like any crop. Anytime a plant is harvested nutrients are removed from the entire system--the woody material in the plant, the composted remains, the the soil organisms that feed on the remains, their detritus, and finally the soil. Nothing is for free.


Accually hemp's effects on the soil are minimal. I refer to an article published in High Times in 1994.

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HT: What about hemp's effect on the soil? After you grow it for five years is your soil going to be completely depleted?

BC: As a matter of fact, just the opposite. Hemp is utilized to refurbish soil. Hemp leaf is fifty percent nitrogen. You take the leaf and put it back down into the ground to enrich it. The truth of the matter is we could take this damn clay soil out here in Oregon and make it into beautiful soil. Hemp is such a short crop that you don't have to rotate it, and you can grow companion crops with it. Around the world hemp has been grown on the same ground for years and years without depleting the soil.


http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/conde.html


Hemp can grow in most any climate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Second Article', ' ')About 6% of contiguous U.S. land area cultivated for biomass could supply all our current demand for oil and gas. This is the basis of the emerging concept of "energy farming," wherein farmers grow and harvest crops for biomass conversion to fuels.There is one farm crop that can fill all our energy needs. Hemp is the only biomass resource capable of making America energy independent. Both Thomas Jefferson and George Washington grew hemp. But, under pressure from the oil and timber industries, our government outlawed it in 1938.


http://www.equalrights4all.org/bach/Fuel.html

All very true you'll learn, if you do your research. It lies in the fact that Hearst decided to back the wood pulp companies instead of the emerging hemp industry in the early 20th century. At the time though, petroleum was a cheaper way to produce goods.Things have changed now, and with oil at 70+ dollars a barrel, alternatives such as ethanol are getting more consideration by lawmakers, and i beleive it just takes a push in the right direction for the politicians in washington make use of this plant; instead
of demonizing it in an effort to keep the population controled.
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby SoothSayer » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 07:01:33

Growing hemp could be a wise move.

I remember reading a sci-fi story once where everyone lived in a wonderful world.

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However one guy decides to skip the daily "vitamin pills" everyone took ... and suddenly entered the "real world".

They were in fact living in a devasted world, deep in shit and living in broken buildings ....

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Perhaps we need to develop a soma pill to make our forthcoming shite world seem lovely?
Technology will save us!
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Re: Hemp for Victory

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 02 Jul 2006, 14:07:05

Vision master - yeah thats hilarious - singing "no woman no cry" ;-)

Pstarr - I have never tasted shit but I have munched down a seed or two mainly out of pure curiousity.
Please describe in detail what shit tastes like or goto the grower of that seed and ask him what were the ingredients chemical or otherwise that he used to grow with. ;-)

Dont worry man!! I know it won't replace hydrocarbons or even a good percent of it.

Just like PO - Hemp has some good stats supporting it.

Whoa someone said that they do not care if marijauna is legalized or not???
USA with 1 out of every 130 in prison - most for non violent drug "crimes" - many for marijauna - this activity does not remove normally production members of society and it doesnt use alot of hydrocarbons now does it?

The drug war is a waste so we should care aside from the fact that it is an invasion of our rights.

The legal status of Hemp and marijauna are unrelated?
"Strong opposition to THC, a chemical known to be less addictive or harmful than legal nicotine or alcohol, leads some of its critics to charge ulterior motives such as protection of the synthetic-fibre, wood pulp, petrochemical, and pharmochemical industries. The US government's position has not been completely constant, as shown by the wide-spread cultivation of industrial hemp in Kentucky and Wisconsin during World War II.[4] Critics of the HIA, however, argue that the necessities of the war and the unavailability of adequate synthetic substitutes outweighed the social, health, and public safety risks of producing hemp."


Off to dl that video and smile as I watch it ;-)

Now where are my fucking "vitamin" pills!!!
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