[Peepers]

Addicted to Oil: Thomas L. Friedman Reporting

Discovery Times Channel, JUN 24 2006, @ 10:00 PM EDT and JUN 25 2006, @ 02:00 AM EDT link

Thomas L. Friedman, Pulitzer Prize winning foreign affairs columnist, explores his ideas for a "Geo-Green Alternative, " a multi-layered strategy to manage problems from funding terrorist supporters through gasoline purchases to strengthening th.. (description ends!)

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[PolestaR]

Anyone who is intelligent would realize there is no "hope" besides technology saving us. It is kind of disappointing to realize how many "respected" people are dumb eh?

[Leanan]

Does this mean he no longer believes that The World is Flat?

[Peepers]

Just bumping up the thread to remind about tonight's broadcast....

[Peepers]

That film was pretty disappointing. It assumed the "love affair" of the car was sacred. No discussion of land use reform. No discussion of increased localization of farming. No discussion of increased use of rail, transit, walking, cycling, telecommuting, etc. Just the assumption that we need to find technologies and energy replacements to maintain our high-mileage lifestyles. I guess we'll just have to find out the hard way where we'll need to make the difficult choices....

We're not addicted to oil. We're addicted to a profligate lifestyle that we're apparently going to try to hang on to at all costs.

[perdition79]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peepers', 'T')hat film was pretty disappointing. It assumed the "love affair" of the car was sacred. No discussion of land use reform. No discussion of increased localization of farming. No discussion of increased use of rail, transit, walking, cycling, telecommuting, etc. Just the assumption that we need to find technologies and energy replacements to maintain our high-mileage lifestyles. I guess we'll just have to find out the hard way where we'll need to make the difficult choices....

We're not addicted to oil. We're addicted to a profligate lifestyle that we're apparently going to try to hang on to at all costs.

[MonteQuest]

My biggest criticism of the show was that it painted a picture of radical Arab terrorists being funded by our oil dollars.

They mention Iran and Pakistan getting our oil dollars to fund terrorism. They even went so far as to show Arab money being counted.

We don't get any oil from Iran or Pakistan. Iran is not Arab, but Persians. The only two Arab countries we import oil from are Saudi Arabia and Iraq (12% and 5% respectively). And since we are in charge of Iraq and in cahoots with SA, what terrorist oil exporting countries and regimes are we funding?

Canada and Mexico?

Talk about spin.

And to even mention reducing our dependency upon imported oil is ludicrous. With only 2% of the world's reserves and energy demand going up 71% by 2030, we won't be able to even reduce the rate of growth of our dependency upon foreign oil.

Wean ourselves from oil?

Independent of foreign oil?

When pigs fly....

[dinopello]

What about the statement of the car that gets 500 miles to the gallon of gas? Didn't mention that it also needs 5 gallons of ethanol and a plug-in charge along with that one gallon of conventional gas to get the mileage.

[MonteQuest]

I also thought the bit on the hydrogen fuel car was telling:

1. Two decades from reality.

2. A million dollars each, currently.

3. 700 square feet of photovoltaics (god knows what they must cost) operating for one week to produce enough hydrogen to drive a fuel cell car 160 miles.

Going to be a while before that has any impact.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only two Arab countries we import oil from are Saudi Arabia and Iraq (12% and 5% respectively).

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only two Arab countries we import oil from are Saudi Arabia and Iraq (12% and 5% respectively).

[mekrob]

Well, UAE is a main banker in the region and has been known to turn a blind eye to shady persons. I'm not so sure about Kuwaiti money (that's the biggy). They seem a little more secular than the Sa'udis though.

[dub_scratch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peepers', 'T')hat film was pretty disappointing. It assumed the "love affair" of the car was sacred. No discussion of land use reform. No discussion of increased localization of farming. No discussion of increased use of rail, transit, walking, cycling, telecommuting, etc. Just the assumption that we need to find technologies and energy replacements to maintain our high-mileage lifestyles. I guess we'll just have to find out the hard way where we'll need to make the difficult choices....

We're not addicted to oil. We're addicted to a profligate lifestyle that we're apparently going to try to hang on to at all costs.

[DantesPeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'D')oes this mean he no longer believes that The World is Flat?

[shakespear1]

I did not catch Addicted but did see The Oil Factor on the local cable station here. I thought this was very good in connecting the dots.

The Oil Factor

film dokumentalny
USA, 2004, 58 min.

reżyseria:
Gerard Ungerman, Audrey Brohy

[grabby]

Oil was afraid of ANY MENTION of running low and always would say WE HAVE 50 years!

In the last year everything has been changing. The truth is out, that there is definitely trouble, no one believes the 50 year oil false progfits (except old die hard big business men

So instead they ACCEPT peak oil (they can do nothing else, cause we have calculators) and instead they lead us to ANSWERS that are no threat, that sound green and sound good.

they use things that can not possibly work and also bring all american farmers on board (the ones who were right wing conservatives due to the obvious need to learn "DONT WORK DONT EAT" wich is OBVIOUS if you are a farmer.

so they give us ethanol
Which might as well be a fairy pumpkin.

But it is at least not a threat to oil and in fact they can cahrge MORE and make MORE profit from alcohol since it is a worse fuel with half the energy density making it necessary to by almost twice as much to go the same mileage. and they say
ALRIGHT! ETHANOL IT IS, lets make more money.

In the end we have a non solution and everyone thinks something is being done.
So we head to a cliff. all this waking up is wasted all the time informing is wasted peak oil will hit hard.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'D')oes this mean he no longer believes that The World is Flat?

[Leanan]

Someone made a torrent of the program.

(You will need BitTorrent, Azureus, Shareza, or some such software to download the video file.)