[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')All three boats had outcomes in accord with natural selection, the main evolutionary operation.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ')We are a force of natural selection, albeit a conscious one.

[DefiledEngine]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')No, we are not. You fail to understand natural selection over time.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')No, we are not. You fail to understand natural selection over time.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')In Lifeboat #3, the people who recognized the need for someone to GO identified the least valuable passengers in the boat and pitched them to the sharks.

[Kylon]

The problem is who is "fit" to survive, or who "fit" for selection.

Ultimately the people who are "fit" are the ones with the guns, the military behind them, and the political power, regardless of how destructive and useless they are.

Ultimately the whole whose "fit" idea is simply a way of justifying mass murder in order to benefit the group doing the mass murder, and who will survive.

Just one more reason why I want to build an oceanic colony.

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'T')he problem is who is "fit" to survive, or who "fit" for selection.

Ultimately the people who are "fit" are the ones with the guns, the military behind them, and the political power, regardless of how destructive and useless they are.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ')Being able to win the struggle for survival does not make one the fittest for living after that particular struggle has been decided. By making a distinction between the "survival of the fittest" and "the struggle for survival," Monty might be casting men as some sort of Special Case; e.g., as though the struggles of men were different than those of wolves in principle. But, no. For both, the fittest learn who they are by struggle, and the struggle for survival is what determines who is fittest to survive whichever struggle they had just been engaged in. But the struggles never end, and the qualities that served the winner of the past struggle might betray them in the next.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'N')ot only did the remaining passengers survive, they founded a nation (after they beached their boat in a new land) whose average member was an improvement over the average where they'd come from.

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'B')eing able to win the struggle for survival does not make one the fittest for living after that particular struggle has been decided. I'm not certain what Monty means by making a distinction between the "survival of the fittest" and "the struggle for survival." The struggles of men and those of wolves are the same in principle. For both, the fittest learn who they are by struggle, and the struggle for survival is what determines who is fittest to survive whichever struggle they had just been engaged in. But the struggles never end, and the array of advantages (and shortcomings) that served the winners of the past struggle might betray them in the next.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ')I referred to the (breeding) stocks in whom a large measure of strength breeds true. Or those in whom a higher than average IQ reliably runs in their families. These are genetic traits that promote survival....I was speaking of fundamental, heritable potentialities. I'd seek those who have them in plural abundance, and I'd favor them for aid in surviving the apocalypse.

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ')I referred to the (human) stocks in whom a large measure of strength breeds true. Or those in whom a higher than average IQ reliably runs in their families. These are genetic traits that promote survival....I was speaking of fundamental, heritable potentialities. I'd seek those who have them in plural abundance, and I'd favor them for aid in surviving the apocalypse.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '[')i]All genetic variation, every last scrap of it, originated as mutation. You're trying to isolate johnny-come-lately mutations as being the only ones having any possible importance.

[mmasters]

I posted this elsewhere but I think it applies here too:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '[')b]Here's what I believe.

The markets wont be changing their ways. Within 5 years the beginning of the great collapse will be triggered in advance. Until then the elites of the world will continue to drive globalization as far as possible further marginalizing everything - thus making it easier to globally manage. And when the global financial system is fully integrated we will see the great global market crash or a series of crashes. The worlds stock exchanges are in the process of merging and being consolidated right now.

This is survival of the fittest with the global financial system and inside knowledge of peak oil as a medium to that goal. Put it this way, give another 30-50 years moving ahead like we are now and the human race will extinct itself through mass depletion. So better to wipe out the vast majority in advance, structure it so only the strongest, smartest and most adaptable survive. This will be the new work force.

In the process the elites take large scale control and ownership of all that's needed to survive nicely in the future and provide for future generations of them -- this is the supreme agenda. Whether it will work out that way remains to be seen but that is what I believe is "the grand plan".

[Kylon]

You know Albert Einstein had a schizophrenic son.

He was also an insomniac, he stuttered, and had slightly less grass matter volume than regular people at the end of his life.

Ontop of that he often had to be treated/taken care of like a child.

All of these things suggest that he had a hyper active mind and may have been schizotypical(not schizophrenic, but with enough hyper activity to give a huge intellectual and creative edge).

He is also considered to possibly have had Asperger's Syndrome, which Issac Newton is also speculated to have.

However, Albert Einstein is widely considered to be the most influential Scientist of the 20th century, and his research has changed the world in countless ways.

If he hadn't had those mental/inheritable qualities, he may not have developed all of his research, and changed the world for the better. We may not have had the prospect of nuclear energy, and thus there would be virtually no hope for our civilization.

Now since schizophrenia is considered to be a defect, and there are genes associated with it, are you saying that we should get rid of all the people with those genes? Should we make them normal or slightly above normal? Should we make them where they have no great defects?

Ultimately, if we did that, then we wouldn't have genius, because genius is an abnormality. Genius isn't normal. And the qualities which cause genius aren't always healthy. So if the qualities that made genius were removed, what do you think would happen to the advancement of the human race?

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'I') referred to the (human) stocks in whom a large measure of strength breeds true. Or those in whom a higher than average IQ reliably runs in their families. These are genetic traits that promote survival.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')I don't know how to test for immunity to SARS or AIDS, though some races may have a higher resistance to some diseases than others do. But I do know how to test for strength and intelligence, and those are frequent deciders of struggles, whereas an immunity to a specific disease is a rare one at best.

[Ibon]

Another example comes to mind that is more cultural. I have an asian wife and spent several years in asian countries: Phillipines, Nepal, Thailand. I notice social and cultural assets in asian cultures which greatly enhance community and consensus in problem solving. Since individuality is often secondary to consensus and community there is a much greater tolerance in asian countries to live and work in crowded conditions. In a powered down world these cultural traits will serve these cultures well where as the more competitive individualistic western countries may have a more difficult time to culturally adapt to certain sacrafices on the individual level. So one could argue that a culture's social and emotional intelligence may rival intellectual intelligence in a more community based peak oil world.

This leads me to often joke with my friends and colleagues that if ever a life boat I build it will certainly have at least 50% of its members not being western caucasians.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')
Between industrious and bum, I favor the industrious.

[SoothSayer]

You appear to view things in very simplistic ways but have still not outlined your test for new world suitability.


THE TEST

1. Are you white? If not goto Step 5.

2. Is your first name Jerry? If not goto Step 5.

3. Congratulations! You have been made Commander Of The Empire!

5. Piss off and die.