[chargrove]

I know not everyone takes apocalyptic prophecies seriously, but given the situation we're in in the world today, I figured I'd point out one prophecy in particular that may be worthy of note.

This Native American learned this prophecy during a vision quest back in the 1920s, and it's proving to be scarily appropriate:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/redskies.html

The first two of the four signs been obviously fulfilled (the African famine during the rise of AIDS, and the appearance of ozone holes and oil spills), but both of those are followed by words of hope that the future can still be changed. It's the third sign, the night of the Red Sky, that is the point of no return.

I think the third sign may have been fulfilled on November 2, 2004. The Red Sky was the color of the election.

Realize that this interpretation isn't very literal, but then if you read the vision of the second sign (the ozone holes) it's not to be interpreted literally either, but it's obvious it already happened nonetheless. So bear with me here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s he gazed out onto the landscape towards the setting Sun, the sky suddenly turned to a liquid and then turned blood-red.

[Oilgood]

Even if the prophecy had anything to do with reality, why did you interpret the first 3 signs figuratively (or with some leniancy of interpretation) , and the last sign (completely) literally?

[chargrove]

I'm not assuming the fourth sign is entirely literal. However, given PO, it may be a bit more literal than the second and third signs. The first sign is a bit more literal than the second and third, and the fourth may be something along those lines.

Even if the actual process of the fourth sign (the ten years of downfall) isn't exact, the pessimistic impact of PO is pretty similar, and the recommendations about returning to the "wild places" seem to be very similar to the kinds of things talked about as solutions to extreme post-peak scenarios.

Particular disturbing to me though are recommendations like "remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man." In an aggressively harsh post-peak scenario, where many people are starving (and perhaps others dying from nuclear fallout, given the poison references), this is exactly what you would want to do.

I'm not saying it's exact. But it fits eerily enough to think about.

- Chris

[Oilgood]

Have you ever heard of George Washington's "Son Of The Republic" dream? I don't know if its fabricated BS or not, but it's a pretty interesting yarn, and goes something like this:

Once George had a strange dream, where an angel came to him and said: "Son of the Republic, Behold!"
He was shown a map of North America with a dark cloud over the east cost- it represented the war of independence. The cloud clears eventually.

The Angel repeats itself, and a black cloud floats slowly and reluctantly over from Africa, then covering the US - the civil war over slavery
The cloud clears, cities/lights spring up from sea to shining sea , and then the map widens to show the whole world.

The Angel repeats its line. Little clouds start forming all across the Old World, then they unite and come to cover all of America for a long time, but then a brilliant divine light supposedly comes to break up the cloud and the US lives happily ever after.

Now that 3rd cloud could be seen as a combo of Peak Oil, the rise of the Euro, a Eurasian Alliance (which Richard Heinberg says would be a nightmare for the US), American arrogance and pre-emptive war in the Old World eg Iraq, and so on. But I am not sure if Washington even had such a dream, and even if he did, who is to say that the above interpretations are correct, or if the dream has a correct interpretation at all ?

Meanwhile check out www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/ for a loooooong list of failed end-time prophecies, (including Nostradamus' "1999 and seven months" prediction which so many people pissed their pants over but never came to pass by any credible stretch of the imagination)

[Specop_007]

No offense, but its funy to think of an Indian on peyote forecasting the end of the world.

In all seriousness, I'm banking on the Mayans myself. Oh yes. Dec 21st, 2012. Spec is gonna be partying his ASS OFF. Will it really be the end of the world? I dunno, but it seems as good as any other day. And if it IS the end of the world I for damned sure dont want to spend it in an office building. Oh no. Mexico, tequila, cocaine and hookers for me please if the world is ending.

[Oilgood]

Another thing: couldn't that 3rd sign be Reagan's landslide victory in 1984 where he got 49 out of 50 states?

[chargrove]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nother thing: couldn't that 3rd sign be Reagan's landslide victory in 1984 where he got 49 out of 50 states?

[duff_beer_dragon]

Mayan Tzolkin and Zuvuya surfing -

I hate it here, I am supposed to be travelling extremely fast, whenever I want to.

They trap us in here to use us, we can't help but destroy it to get back out.

It's evil.

I think this should be in the 'are women to blame for....' poll,

I don't think it is women exactly who are to blame, it's the sort of consciousness that wants to control another being, ie - have children and mould them in any way, that is to blame. How can you teach or offer the fullest to any other being if you have yet to perfect yourself and achieve all answers to life, as you should before you think you can look after another.

[Dvanharn]

Peyote was not mentioned in the story - did you make that up? I know modern people who go on vision quests that never touch drugs.

Did you read the story with it's condemnation of drugs and drug wars?

Do you feel a need to put it down, to discredit it? Are there possibly some truths in it that you cannot handle??

I don't take the entire story or it's visions literally, but it has some useful words of wisdom and can help open-minded people think about the issues raised.

Dave

[trespam]

Though I've never done it, I think mescaline could be a cool thing. Why, I even read The Doors of Perception and many other writings on this topic. And I am a fan of the native americans. So I have the greatest respect for them and their culture, but at the same time, I get all my prophecies from:

Magic Eight Ball


It's never let me down.

[trespam]

Update: I just asked magic 8 ball if oil would peak in 2005. Answer: "Don't count on it." So we've got another year folks. Whew. That was close.

[trespam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dvanharn', 'P')eyote was not mentioned in the story - did you make that up? I know modern people who go on vision quests that never touch drugs.

[Riddick]

Damn, that was a great story regardless of what you believe.

[Guest]

Talk about coincidence ... I just spent this morning researching this once I found it on the web.

All this is concerns Tom Brown, of "The Tracker" fame. Brown claims he learned everything he knows from some mysterious Apache who wandered the earth for eighty years and then told Brown everything he learned. Try finding out EXACTLY when these 'prophecies' first appeared. The answer is AFTER AIDS showed up. Not very hard to predict the past. Not very hard to predict that there might be a nuke war in the future.

There also happens to be no fotos, no records and no other human being who can verify that the 'Grandfather' (or Brown's imaginary childhood buddy killed on a white horse) ever existed (other than Tom Brown himself, a chainsmoker with a drinking problem). Undoubtedly Brown may have some useful things to teach, but the BULLSHIT radar is putting out some very loud beeping sounds here.

Try being a little more sceptical about this crap before posting please. 10 minutes on Google can save a lot of people a lot of grief.

[rerere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '[')SpecOps has a bad attitude. Get used to it.

[Oilgood]

Another thing:
Weren't the Ozone Holes disocvered before AIDS and the Ethiopian Famine? How come the Ozone holes are the second sign then?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dvanharn', 'P')eyote was not mentioned in the story - did you make that up? I know modern people who go on vision quests that never touch drugs.

Did you read the story with it's condemnation of drugs and drug wars?

Do you feel a need to put it down, to discredit it? Are there possibly some truths in it that you cannot handle??

I don't take the entire story or it's visions literally, but it has some useful words of wisdom and can help open-minded people think about the issues raised.

Dave

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dvanharn', 'P')eyote was not mentioned in the story - did you make that up? I know modern people who go on vision quests that never touch drugs.

[Oilgood]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Especially when your one of the few to maybe see the world in a more factual light. Say what you want, but MOST people discount the consipracy bullshit that most of YOU people believe. The majority of you are, to put it bluntly, the fools and idiots the rest of the world makes fun of..........
I'd say to actually read some of the shit you people say and ask yourself if thats what you REALLY believe, but I dont have to. It IS what you believe. Its actually a bit scary......

[gg3]

Yo, cut the ad-hominems...

Prophesy and scripture generally, are defined by the use of "archetypal" language, i.e language that is timeless and speaks to the universals of human existence. This is a common characteristic of any religion that manages to survive more than a few generations.

There is also a common thread in most religions, particularly those that develop in times and places where there are substantial threats to human society: warning people to give up sinful behaviors and return to a God-centered existence, in order to avoid some large and terrible consequence.

The personal circumstances of the author of the "four prophesies" piece, are irrelevant. If he created the entire account as a fiction, then it's he himself who is issuing the prophetic warning, rather than the native elder of whom he speaks. The writing stands or falls on its own merits, that is, the degree to which it inspires an individual to lead a more God-centered life.