[Hector]

I've accepted that this is happening, and probably soon.

I really don't have much I can do to prepare. I live in a poor part of LA, I don't own where I live, so I've accepted that if TSHTF, I'll probably die pretty soon. Maybe being drafted would be good so I could at least get respect for being a veteran.

What could I expect in LA assuming optimistic, or pessimistic scenarios?

Am I fucked?

[PhilBiker]

We all are effed Hector.

[Sencha]

Go for broke while you can, do what you want, when you want. We've got to use up the last of our lifestyle while we can still hold on to it. Wish I could follow my own advice, still chasing a degree like an idiot.

[Rembrandt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sencha', 'G')o for broke while you can, do what you want, when you want. We've got to use up the last of our lifestyle while we can still hold on to it. Wish I could follow my own advice, still chasing a degree like an idiot.

[Hector]

Yeah man, I hear ya, I'm trying to get a degree too. I worked my ass off to get money for it. I'm supposed to be the smarter one in the family that gets his act together and succeeds, but there's no future in it.

We just ended our last ajor period before the decline era starts I fiure, because Bush's second presidency, will see the beginning of it. It's unfair to Bush, really because there's only so much he can do about it, but the way things go to sh*t, he'll be looked at very badly. Micheal Moore's tubby ass will have a field day. 2001-2004 is when growth started to slow, then slowed even quicker. Being the last period before the decline, it's probably the sh*ttiest, most ignorant periods. Hell, turn on your fucking TV and switch it to BET and watch Lil' Jon hopping around like a retarded clown shouting like an ape!

2005-2008 will be the period when everyone realizes that something's f*cked up, and things get kind of sh*tty. I expect some type of street violence epidemic twice as bad as the '80s to come up in a few years.

Knowing my luck, some assholes will roll up on me and shotgun me. I'm not going out without a fight though. Ha, the cops will drive to the scene and see my body, and some black female cop will say "gad damn, another dead spic in this neighborhood, there's been 3 already today." to her gay male partner Officer Shitpacker. This is before their precious affirmative action collapses on them, and all of Jesse Jackson's bullshit blows up in his face. I hate that fucking idiot, with his smug, whiney, liberal racist ass. Fucking loser, his face looks like a fucking ass. And don't get me started about Al Sharpton, or Farrakhan!

Ha!, ever since I knew about peak oil, first I was depressed, then did a lot of stupid shit in my depression, then just came to realize it and realize that I can only hope for the best. I used to tell my friends about it a year or so ago and they laughed at me. Now they're all asking me about it, and what's happening. I'm just kind of used to the idea that things rae going to get shitty, and I'll try to tough it out. I can't afford to leave, I'm staying right here with the people I know. I hope to be able to protect those close to me and I'll try.

In a way, I'd almost rather get drafted, instead of things just starting to slowly decline and crumble to shit. I'd rather die and get a medal in a war, and shit, maybe if I'm brave enough Toby Keith'll write a song about me.

[Malone]

Every time I read one of these discussions, I want to scream. If you're the "smart one" you've got to have enough sense to realize that things are NOT going to go all to hell in a short time. Do you see that upward curve in the Hubbert curve we're all familiar with? Is it a smooth curve? So why do people expect a neat peak followed by disaster? The downward curve is going to be just as jagged, with many peaks and valleys as market forces and the effects of some exploration and development happen. In those times, there will be good times and bad times. Plenty of time to smooth the fall.

Buck up, kid. Going to school and working may be hard, but it's still the game and will be for the forseeable future. Living in "interesting times" isn't an excuse to not do your homework. If people take this attitude of just grabbing what they can, it's going to make things worse.

[Guest]

Hector face the music and dance

[Sencha]

I'm going to argue that things WILL go to hell in a short time.

The government believes that a quick crash will be easier for the populace to accept than a slow one. It doesn't have to do anything with geology, it has to do with deliberately exploiting the effects of the downward curve.

[Hector]

What do you think will happen in LA? Is it survivable? They'll still be able to get food out here to at least keep us alive?

[Guest]

Depends if your county went red or blue.

If red, yes there will be food for you (at least in the short-run) as you clearly sided with God.

If blue, then you will be among the first cut off from God's bounty as you clearly sided with the gays and atheists.

That way, God's bounty is conserved for those who have accepted him while at the same time the earth is cleansed of non-believers.

Also, if we demonstrate to God that we will make sure his bounty is only given to his followers, he may put more of it in the Earth for us, thereby ensuring an abundant supply.

My advice is to make sure you live in a county that voted for Godliness in the last election! Have faith in God and he will provide!

[Coolman]

Welcome Hector, I live in Phoenix, so I am also expecting some nasty times ahead, all we can do now is be strong.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')very time I read one of these discussions, I want to scream. If you're the "smart one" you've got to have enough sense to realize that things are NOT going to go all to hell in a short time. Do you see that upward curve in the Hubbert curve we're all familiar with? Is it a smooth curve? So why do people expect a neat peak followed by disaster? The downward curve is going to be just as jagged, with many peaks and valleys as market forces and the effects of some exploration and development happen. In those times, there will be good times and bad times. Plenty of time to smooth the fall.

Buck up, kid. Going to school and working may be hard, but it's still the game and will be for the forseeable future. Living in "interesting times" isn't an excuse to not do your homework. If people take this attitude of just grabbing what they can, it's going to make things worse.

[Marco]

I have said this before. I know repitition is not the same as being correct, but here goes.

You still have a few years before PO really starts to bite. If we are lucky we might have more time than 2007-2010 period. Who knows? I know that when PO starts to kick in things will start getting ugly. Pick a scenario.

Being aware of what is coming is at least a start. You're way ahead of all those other people out there. Start planning for it now-even if that entails making stupid lists of options like I do. Maybe nothing you do will make al that much difference in the longer term. So, stop thinking about the longer term- like how I going to grow food etc.

But I can say one thing for certain- the big cities is where you do not want to be. See if you can move somewhere smaller- OK not Ohio.

When TSHTF the gov is going to bring down martial law, and FEMA is going to confiscate every bit of infrastructure it can. At first you are going to get rationing and price spikes. Probably even shortages and blackouts.

PO and the p-dollar system + huge debts will likely cause a massive economic collapse. This collapse could bring on martial law and rule by decree sooner. You do not want to get caught in the middle of this take down. Whether you get a sudden, or a rolling collapse plan not to be in a large city.

Now I'm not saying life will be great in smaller places. Who knows, you might get drafted- or conscripted into a work gang, or whatever. All I am saying is that you should have some sort of plan to get out to somewhere smaller, more rural, if at all possible.

Good luck

Marco

[Hector]

I have relatives in Tracy, Salinas, Madera, and Fresno, CA. I guess there's a lot of farming up there. If I can get the economic means, I guess I should move up there maybe?

I tell some of my friends who have a bit more free money right now to set up somewhere else. Maybe if I can't leave, I can at least convince some other people to before the shit hits the fan.


"Welcome Hector, I live in Phoenix, so I am also expecting some nasty times ahead, all we can do now is be strong."

We're both surrounded by deserts- I'm a bit worried about that.

I think big cities will be survivable though, Leningrad survived, and they had no supplies plus they were being bombed.


Anyone disagree? Will everyone in LA die?

[Coolman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nyone disagree? Will everyone in LA die?

[Marco]

Hey Hector,

you want to live in a city thats like Leningrad or Stalingrad??? The answer should be self-evident. You want to freeze, burn your furniture, eat wallpaper and dead cats if you are lucky? You want to scrape through garbage for scraps like they do in Columbia- or wherever- right now???

OK maybe this is a bit extreme- for now. Possibly the gov will have the power to direct all food resources and fuel to the cities to keep them going. Given that the alternative is rioting and disaster this is likely. Maybe the people in the countryside will be treated like serfs. I don't know.

But consider this. How long can large cities hold together as power, fuel and food production fail? How long do you think the gov could keep it all together, even with police state powers? The answer I suppose is-depends. Now do you want to take the risk?

I agree that maybe starving the city or countryside is really a matter of scenery. But remember, things got better in Leningrad when the seige ended. Things in the major cities are never going to get better when the PO seige starts.

regards marco

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hector', 'A')nyone disagree? Will everyone in LA die?

[Fatherof4]

If you think it's going to be hard landing, I would get out of LA go where you might have a chance of finding fresh water.

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', '
')Malone, don't under estimate Peak Oil. Yes on the up slope things slowly went up and up, but you need to understand, we have a monatary system and as long as we have growth it is fine. When growth stops and starts to go down the system collapses and this along can cause many chain reactions from that. No the world will not explode and go to hell over night, but we are about to go into un explored territory here. Remember even a 10% drop in world oil extraction can cause massive, massive problems. Hell even a 3% drop can cause problems. There will be many businesses going out of business, many jobs lost, and many un happy people. Wal Mart and all those places will burn to the ground quickly post peak. We are going to have wars apon wars and it is not going to be fun. If you want a very gradual crash I suggest you read the book Power Down by Richard Heinberg. Having a slow crash like that would take massive amounts of work and global cooperation.

[Ferretlover]

Alas, Obiwan, you have underestimated the Force of humanity and its flaws. There can be only One Peak. A few will survive at the expense of the many.

Resources are finite. Procreation will not stop. The Game is Afoot! Which genetic line will survive the next global near-extinction?

OH! And, Happy Holidays.