$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leaf21', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')ortifiedpenguin wrote:
"America is not going to just "break apart." We are the strongest power in the world. Nothing stops us. We have the largest military. We have the largest economy. We survive everything. Back in the war for independence, the British had pretty much every advantage against us, and we still kicked their asses. Several times. We always win in the end.
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America, why it will break apart!
Re: America, why it will break apart!
by mortifiedpenguin » Fri 09 Jun 2006, 03:36:08
Lets make a few things clear. America pre-1965 and America post 1965..TWO drastic different realities.Everything has changed...Nations with expensive energy or hardly avalible energy esp. multi-cultural nations have never held together in history! Did you know of the 100 or so conflicts worldwide over 80 are internal ethic-religious conflicts? Just wait when the dollar is history..its coming to the USA as sure as history points out. The witter of the article I posted on page one feels that America will break apart into 5-10 regions. I feel it will totally break apart into well over 30-100 regions..But initially 5-10.
On the point..What do you mortifiedpenguin think America is going to WIN come post peak oil? What is America going to Win when its dollar is hyper inflated? What will it win when soldiers will no longer drill because they receive a watered down paycheck. "I was a former pay admin for the US Army...when the dollar goes American Army will denigrates" What will America WIN come Suberibia collapse.."read Kunster" ? What will America win with over 35 million Mexicans who will then be competitors post peak oil? How about the other 40 or so million non-whites? What will Happen when the US government cant payout welfare, free medical, free housing and heat to the poor? If you think America will come out winning your going to be in for a BIG surprise.
From an Evolian point if view, history has
four cycles: (he makes it clear
that this is not his point of view but Traditions point of view, see
Plato and Aristotle, and nearly all Traditional cultures the world
over) Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Iron. The last cycle is when the lowest
order in the pre-industrial cycle, the bourgeoisie or third estate,
takes over and this already happened with capitalism and the rise of
liberal democracy (a system designed to allow the money-men and
merchants to control society.). After industrialism, a fourth estate
of proletarian workers was created. This class was obviously below the
bourgeoisie and in the final phase of the iron age, that is the
apocalypse, the proletarians take over. Following this, Eastern Europe
is ripe for a return to the Golden Age but the West will be walking the
line. Will the West go into a deeper illusion about the brotherhood of
man post-peak oil and further turn international Communist? Or will it
also complete the cycle of the birth, decay, death and rebirth of
civilization? The cause of the decay and death being the fall of the
leaders (their spiritual emptiness) and the rise of the lower orders of
men (materialism). Only when we again respect the natural hierarchical
order of things will we return to the golden age, a spiritual age
instead of a material age. Equality is our enemy!
No, I don't think America is going to win in the end, but I also don't think it's going to lose. I think it's going to survive. It will be a future of troubling times, but humanity will make it. If the dollar collapses, we'll think of something new. Like Germany, back when they suffered hyperinflation. That's the way humanity has always survived. They adapt to the situation.
What will happen when "the US government cant payout welfare, free medical, free housing and heat to the poor?" Some of the poor are going to die off. Simple. Some will live, some will die. Just the way it is.
Another thing, I'm getting sick of people bringing up quotes from Plato, Aristotle and other ancient scholars to prove their point. And the book 1984. Good god. I realize that there are many intelligent people here, but you don't have to use famous quotes from old people to prove your damn point. Not all of us want to read a bunch of boring stuff about the history of governments and economies.
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Re: America, why it will break apart!
by mortifiedpenguin » Fri 09 Jun 2006, 03:39:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', '.')..
We're winning.
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We're winning.
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I totally agree. Last time I checked Iraq was a stable reliable democracy which strictly separated religion and politics, a partner for the west, a beacon for democracy full of law obeying citizens -- Congratulations, mission accomplished!
Did I say that? You do realize we are not done in Iraq yet, right? That's why I said we are WINNING. Jesus Christ.
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