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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby Jenab6 » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 13:37:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'T')his is going to sound awful,

But when TSHF, women will start figuring out compliments and reasons why your brilliant, and will be willing probably to marry you, in order to survive.

The capacity to provide, and prevent death is a strong aphrodisiac, in times of great crisis.

Many truths sound awful, not-nice, or impolite. But it's important to keep all the truths that are relevant to our situation fresh in mind, so that the aversion to unpleasantness won't become a denial of reality. Once a denial of reality happens, it can quickly become popular, and, if there's no immediate correction, the false beliefs that have replaced the unpleasant truths can become mandatory beliefs, as in "required by law."

That, by the way, is a tell-tale sign. Truth hardly ever has laws that require belief in them. As far as I know, only lies have received the kind of support that makes a heresy of dissent to them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'B')ut when TSHF, women will start figuring out compliments and reasons why your brilliant, and will be willing probably to marry you, in order to survive. The capacity to provide, and prevent death is a strong aphrodisiac, in times of great crisis.

That matches my experience also. Women nearly always go for what seems the better deal to them at the moment they make their decision. When circumstances change, they bail out of one arrangement (or they try their best to do so) and attempt to get a better one - not always in that order.

Circumstances can complicate the life of the relationship hopping female. If she has children by her former male provider, do they impose on her an impediment when she would switch to another mate? Often they will. In that case, what will she do about it? Will she abandon her ambition, or will she kill her children in order to raise her eligibility?

Age is another complication. Men wax in attractiveness further into life than women do; her flower fades faster than his does. Knowing this puts a certain pressure on the female: she must finalize her marital choice while advantage is on her side. If she waits too long, she will have to settle for less. If she waits longer still, she might end up with nothing, no support in her old age, and hence a miserable dependence on grudging charity or an even more miserable death.

Life is a deadly game, and the possibility of winning goes only to the serious players. Men who understand the rules correctly will have to do some harsh things with regard to women that their natural inclination toward kindliness would rather them not do, except that circumstances require them.

For example, what does a man do when he discovers that a women he takes into his home in good faith is plotting to betray him to be murdered by another man, so that they can appropriate his house and goods? Do you kill her? Do you kill her before or after you kill the other man? Do you tell her what you know before you kill her? Do you believe her assurances that she will abandon her conspiracy with the other man and betray him as she had previously planned to betray you? What if she has borne you children already: should you kill her anyway, even if this would deprive them of their mother?

Such things need to be thought through before acting on them becomes necessary.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'N')ah, what you do, is get other MEN to do the work, meanwhile you and your hoes get down and funky. :lol:

You focus your work time on keeping power, controlling resources, and taking over territory that other people have.

Then you enslave the people you find there, install goons/thugs/cronies, to keep the order, and tax tribute from them.

You'd have to do this, because it's not the person who owns the land that gets it's benefits, its the person who controls the land.

You can have all the titles you want, all the titles in the world, but if there isn't any police force, and your up against a gang of stronger, more powerful people, and you can't defend what's yours, your screwed.

The warlord game will be one played by many. But it's a game in which the odds are against the competitors: in any given region, many may play, but only one will win. All others will die.

How about this? If someone tries to throw you off your house, you go quietly. You stay gone a week or two. Then you return and poison the house water supply. Or you ambush your enemy from a place of concealment with a gun that you had the foresight to bury or hide deep in a cave somewhere. Once your foes are dead, you return to your house and reoccupy it, flushing out the water system if necessary.

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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby Kylon » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 14:53:04

Well, in regards to women who are going to betray you, if there is currently no law(which if there is, then you can't do anything, but then again, maybe you can call the cops), then you can use one of two mind control methods.

Oxytocin + Vassopressin, makes an elixir of love, that makes the person fall into real, altrustistic love. Downside is it has to be injected. But the love will be real, and should be all accounts, be permanent.

BTW- I don't mind adding in the Oxytocin/Vassopressin bit, because it's very difficult to mind control someone using that method(may take many hours/days), and it's impossible to use that method, to mind control someone into killing themselves. It gives the mind controller very little real control, other than creating absolute love and loyalty to the mind controller.

Then there is option B, my less favourite option, which it involves using a certain device in a certain way, to induce mind control. I'm not a big fan of this(except perhaps to keep order, and promote loyalty within my ranks(if I'm ever forced to do so)), but it is by far the cheaper, and more easily available option. BTW, I won't post how, because I don't want nutjobs mind controling people, or trying to take over the world. We have enough murderous nutjobs around, without having them mind control other people into their cults of death.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby Anthrobus » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 19:36:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'I')f you want to be sure that your woman is into YOU as well as your PREPS, go to one of the alternative dating sites. I think there was one called green singles out there. I am sure there are others where you can find like-minded individuals.


Then you two will be the crazy couple on the hill ...

Maybe a woman wo does some reasoning of her own (includes criticising and occasional yelling) is of more advantage to your project than some ever ay-saying little dove ("All the people in town are saying you have some screws loose but i know you are right...")
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Far worse though, i suppose would be the total hardcore po-woman: "('[smilie=director.gif]') Get up you lazy hog. We need a dozen more guns with a sack of ammo, half a ton more of groceries, barbed wire and a graben around the house, and i am pregnant ('[smilie=XXspermy.gif]') again so you just will return to your former boss, excuse for calling him an asswipe and apply to get your shitjob back ... By the way, have burnt your Books while you doze, kids ('[smilie=new_smilie_colors1.gif]') dont need to know literature".
You really dont want your wife to surpass you on the right lane someday, will you?

Generally, the extensive use of dating sites provided me a good insight into the female folk ('[smilie=besos.gif]'). These consumerist orientated, female-style dressed, wealth seeking woman-robots really exist, but not in majority and they are easy to distinguish and to exclude from the list (in reality they did that by themselves, excluding me after quite frankly asking for some big numbers, i didn't want to lie and could literaly watch their face dropping in disappointment, from that second, i was only wasted time). These are the kind of nasty experiences in life that provide unvaluable knowledge of human behavior ('[smilie=angry5.gif]').

I tried on and ... to abbreviate a long story, the internet revealed the only woman out of half the country which could stand me ('[smilie=kiss.gif]') ('[smilie=binkybaby.gif]'). So todays internet dating seems to be a real blessing for people like me and maybe you ('[smilie=profe.gif]'). Who says its all just virtual and of no value? And she lets me make preparations for po too, though she insisted that we eat up all the groceries i wisely had accumulated. Maybe she would too have flewn, encountering a full equipped po-bunker...
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby kam30en » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 20:58:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ave you thought about an inflatable wife?



Dude, right now I'm married to my hand. She wouldn't want me cheating on her with some rubber hussie.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 22:27:42

Just find one you like now, club her unconscious like, drag her home and store her in the basment till TSHTF. Oh don't forget to feed and water her.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby pea-jay » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 04:53:22

Jenab Wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ife is a deadly game, and the possibility of winning goes only to the serious players.


I didn't this was a "game" with a "winning" outcome.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 06:46:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', '[')b]Jenab Wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ife is a deadly game, and the possibility of winning goes only to the serious players.


I didn't this was a "game" with a "winning" outcome.

When I said winning, I didn't mean that anyone could live forever. I meant he could promote the survival of his genes, the instructions that made him, which are present in his children, and also present (in somewhat attenuated form) in his race.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 10:24:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Princess', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', 'A')re there any sites anyone knows of to meet peak oil aware women? Are there even any peak oil aware women?

*raises hand*
Hi. PO-aware single woman here. We exist. You just have to keep talking about PO and you'll find someone in your neck of the woods.


Princess,

Tell me what you think. It's not the best photo of me but it's all I have on my computer at the moment:

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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 10:30:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')That matches my experience also. Women nearly always go for what seems the better deal to them at the moment they make their decision. When circumstances change, they bail out of one arrangement (or they try their best to do so) and attempt to get a better one - not always in that order.


You know, I didn't realized this till me and a female friend became apartment mates for a year. I was not in any way atttracted to her so I could see how she handled her business/life relatively objectively. And I noticed that, as you say, things almost never went in that order.

Seeing it from a third party/objective standpoint enabled me to see it in my own life too, whether I was on the way in or on the way out of a woman's "arrangement" as you refer to it.

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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 12:31:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')That matches my experience also. Women nearly always go for what seems the better deal to them at the moment they make their decision. When circumstances change, they bail out of one arrangement (or they try their best to do so) and attempt to get a better one - not always in that order.


You know, I didn't realized this till me and a female friend became apartment mates for a year. I was not in any way atttracted to her so I could see how she handled her business/life relatively objectively. And I noticed that, as you say, things almost never went in that order.

Seeing it from a third party/objective standpoint enabled me to see it in my own life too, whether I was on the way in or on the way out of a woman's "arrangement" as you refer to it.

A lot of women have done that, including my sister. They deceive men in exactly the way that they don't want men to deceive them. In fact, men are pikers in the "two-timing" game.

When men step out on their usual mates, what they're usually going for is novelty and not much more. When women do it, they're hoping to gain access to more resources to spend on themselves and, perhaps, on their children.

Further, when men have an affair, it's usually temporary; they intend to go back to their normal mates after they've scratched their middle age itch to sew wild oats. But when women do it, they're often getting used to the idea that the hubby has outlived his usefulness and that the time has come to sacrifice him.

That implies that women don't love men, per se. They love what their mates can bring them, not the men themselves. It implies that women exhibit gross hypocrisy when they demand to be loved for who they are, and not for what they have. Physically, they're beautiful. Morally, they're pretty nasty: treacherous, dangerous in a backstabbing kind of way.

But we need them to make children, don't we?

I think the thing that feminism holds to be most detestable about patriarchal social systems is that they provide moral and legal restraints that prevent women from exercising this ugly side of their nature. God save the civilization that loses its patriarchal character and gains a feminist one; it might be "fairer" in some chaotic sense, but it won't last long.

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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 12:53:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think the thing that feminism holds to be most detestable about patriarchal social systems is that they provide moral and legal restraints that prevent women from exercising this ugly side of their nature. God save the civilization that loses its patriarchal character and gains a feminist one; it might be "fairer" in some chaotic sense, but it won't last long.


In case you men haven't noticed the male of the species are just as bad. Half the time the only reason a man is attracted to a woman is because she is very thin, or has money. Then they set about being little babies and demanding to have their things put first on the priority list.

I don't know how many families I know ... (oops that would be all of them), where they need something to make to womans job easier (like a dishwasher) since all the guy does is come home and sit on his ass when she works, takes care of the kids, and still has to clean up after all of them. I don't call my ex the "slug" for nothing. And all men will do is whine like a little baby until he gets his new computer part or new golf clubs.

Yeah, we go out for what makes things easier for us but theres a reason. Men mate to have someone bare their kids or have a freaking maid. Go whine somewhere else.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby holmes » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 12:59:41

Hey u might want to check out young babes that have a kid already. There are alot of these fine early 20 babilisous out there that have had the dumb fuck boyfriend give em a kid and they left the women. These girls are mature and know what they want now. I am 35 and exclusivlely date younger women. Older ones are ok but I am 35 year old only in age. women my age or slightly older are either fat or worn out. very rarely do I find a 35 year old babe at my caliber of living and looking. Not being a prick just truth. So I am beginning a relationship with a 24 year old with a 3 year old kid. Now I am having iussues since I am Bachelor extreme and love freedom and I have a very open concept of relationships. This does not work well in the materialist death march society. But fine young women are so hot! Youll get one and look at ones that are travelers. that like to experience new things and have had some jerks and have thrown them off like the parasites that they are. U need warrior women. Then raise that kid like a warrior. This is peak oil. A patriarchal society is NEEDED. The present one will shrink and fade away post PO.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 13:11:56

yeah, hey that way she can leave one jerk for another. Do you have any idea how that sounds? There happen to be quite a few older women who are fine. It sounds like you are looking for someone who is at your level of maturity. Fine, that works.

What is so wrong with growing up?
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby holmes » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 13:24:31

Oh sh@t I knew Unknown would rip me a new one! LOL. I know its sounds bad. But I was just trying to be honest. I know there are older hotties. I do seem like an incredulous jerk dont I? Im not saying they are all worn out. Im just saying alot have let the ass grow large and the SUV take them everywhere. I apologize for the rudeness. I do agree I am an immature sap. But Mature in many areas, like raising a child. But others well Im a bachelor!
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 13:31:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') do seem like an incredulous jerk dont I?


It does sound like it, but I know you aren't... really. But that is what finishes a lot of guys right there. There are just so many people out there that some of us can afford to, or choose to be very picky, I know I am.

This bachelor ideal is something you might want to reevaluate. it only detracts from your overall "marketability". ITs just a stupid construct of this pathetic society we've built, IMO, and peak oil wise?... its a handicap.
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby holmes » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 13:45:41

Im working on it! Its not easy removing the layers built up through conditioning. Im trying at least. Oil really has created some problems has it not?
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Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 13:47:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think the thing that feminism holds to be most detestable about patriarchal social systems is that they provide moral and legal restraints that prevent women from exercising this ugly side of their nature. God save the civilization that loses its patriarchal character and gains a feminist one; it might be "fairer" in some chaotic sense, but it won't last long.

In case you men haven't noticed the male of the species are just as bad.

Men have their faults: egoism, for example. What I said about men straying primarily for novelty is usually true. In general, men don't seek extra lovers for the same reasons that women do. Men aren't as "bad" as women are about exploiting sex as a means of realizing materialistic expectations, of reaping a harvest of money or resources. Women do this more than men do it, and I can understand why things turned out this way, evolutionary circumstances being what they are for our species.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'H')alf the time the only reason a man is attracted to a woman is because she is very thin, or has money. Then they set about being little babies and demanding to have their things put first on the priority list.

Men are attracted by beautiful women, and women are attracted by men with resources. The market will rule in this, whether we will or nill, whatever we might think about it. I don't think, however, that men are the sex that has the most egregious record of "being little babies and demanding to have their things put first on the priority list." Experience teaches me that the opposite is true.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') don't know how many families I know ... (oops that would be all of them), where they need something to make to womans job easier (like a dishwasher)

I live alone. I wash my own dishes. I have no dishwasher.

I wash my own clothes. I do have a washing machine, but, when the electricity is off for two days at a time, I get out my big rubber tub, fill it with water with my mechanical pump, add some detergent, and stir for half an hour with a boat paddle.

I also feed livestock and take care of them. Remember, I live alone; there's no woman here to do my house chores for me. I also take care of a growing orchard of fruit and nut trees. And every summer I must go into the woods and gather four cords of firewood for the following winter, saw it up, and stack it in the woodshed. And occasionally there's roofing work to be done and improvements to be made to the house (like the screens that I installed over the roof gutters last month). Did I mention that I live alone and therefore do all this by myself?

It wouldn't occur to me that these chores were exceptionally ornerous things. Oh, having a spouse to do some of the work would be pleasant, I suppose. But the housework routine becomes customary, and, so long as I don't let things go and do the work as it arises, it doesn't even seem like work.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '.')..since all the guy does is come home and sit on his ass when she works, takes care of the kids, and still has to clean up after all of them. I don't call my ex the "slug" for nothing. And all men will do is whine like a little baby until he gets his new computer part or new golf clubs.
Your ex might be an immature man who never get taught that work is a regular and normal part of life. There are women like that too, and, in my judgment, a higher percentage of women than men are that way.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'Y')eah, we go out for what makes things easier for us but theres a reason. Men mate to have someone bare their kids or have a freaking maid. Go whine somewhere else.
Men must mate with women to produce children. Neither gender is sufficient by itself for the propagation of their race. The real difference is that women invest more of their time in reproduction than men do. And I wasn't whining.

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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 14:00:33

Conditioning is a whole other animal. Most animals work on instinct but the human marketing machine (religion etc) created conditioning (aka: brainwashing, fear conditioning) so that we couldn't just throw off their precepts.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to (Oral Roberts) claim the God was going to call him home if he didn't raise 6 million dollars. AND some stupid schlep would believe him.

We wouldn't keep chasing after one more dollar (If I work one more hour, save one trip to the coffee shop... I'll have more,c ause I NEED that car)

But this ties into the quest for a mate. Back in the "old days" people weren't overstimulated by coffee, porn (aka: fashion shows :-P) and hip marketing strategies.

We had way too much time to think (no Ipods, computers or tv). Back working in the fields we were more concerned about what was important to us. (we knew because we couldn't run away from it and it kept popping back up in our minds, until we dealt with it and knew our own minds).

People were a different breed, they married people they'd known for years and so knew all their bads habits and all the gossip about them. this automatically let the "good guys" get the girl because the "bad boy" didn't get the mystique or good press and were reserved for the trailer trash barbie (TM), cause no self-respecting woman'd have him.

It really is about how others see you. We have to make quick decisions and you have to be your own PR department. think the next time you say something how others are going to take that. Will your hair dresser want to set you up with her friend?

let other people know you are looking and what you are looking for. then get picky, don't take the first chick that comes along no matter how "bootylicious".

PS: holmes that was funny invoking Aaron for help. :-P I bet there are a lot of people who deal with me on a daily basis who wish they could do that.
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 14:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ') Men aren't as "bad" as women are about exploiting sex as a means of realizing materialistic expectations, of reaping a harvest of money or resources. Women do this more than men do it, and I can understand why things turned out this way, evolutionary circumstances being what they are for our species.


Yeah, when the guy follows his dick to greener pastures who is left to take care of the kids? (not in all instances, we have some excellent single fathers here on the board).

I do take exception though to the assumption that women do it more. In almost all of my relationships one of the biggest issues has been that I make more money than they do and then they resent it even as they are spending it. My best friend makes mroe as a hair dresser than her husband and he totally resents her for it. Yes, a good hair stylist here can pull in up to $5000.00 a month.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')en are attracted by beautiful women, and women are attracted by men with resources.
Totally not true. Most women I know are still attracted by this stupid "bad boy" stereotype or the alpha male who presumably can rock their world.

Mind you the US is a different world from CAnada and therein might lay the difference.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't think, however, that men are the sex that has the most egregious record of "being little babies and demanding to have their things put first on the priority list." Experience teaches me that the opposite is true.


And my experience has shown me the opposite is true, so maybe there is another factor we are not seeing, like who has the money in the relationship. DOes the person who doesn't have it wind up being the whiner? or maybe its a power dynamic? the person with the most to loose is the whiner?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') wash my own clothes. I do have a washing machine, but, when the electricity is off for two days at a time, I get out my big rubber tub, fill it with water with my mechanical pump, add some detergent, and stir for half an hour with a boat paddle.


You know you don't have to sit there and paddle the whole time right? you can paddle them for 5 min., leave them for 20, paddle 5 more and then finishe them off. Its the soaking that does it. if you have heavy stains those are the ones you need to work on but they will need to be scrubbed by hand.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') also feed livestock and take care of them. Remember, I live alone; there's no woman here to do my house chores for me... Did I mention that I live alone and therefore do all this by myself?

:-P cheeky bugger! Yes, you did and I certainly don't mean to imply that all men are lazy slugs. I have a great deal of respect for guys who tinker around, get their hands greasy/dirty and are internally motivated.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Your ex might be an immature man who never get taught that work is a regular and normal part of life. There are women like that too, and, in my judgment, a higher percentage of women than men are that way.

See again there we differ, or are of the exact opposite oppinion. (except my last b/f who was more feminine than I was). Perhaps we are both attracted to our opposites and that is where the delimma lies? We both go for lazy slack asses?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The real difference is that women invest more of their time in reproduction than men do.

No, I think that's an assumption. We've been conditioned that way but its not necessarily true. Not all women want to sit at home with kids. Some of us like being out working, getting a sense of accomplishment or indulging our ambitions.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')o whine somewhere else.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd I wasn't whining.

that's really what got to you wasnt' it. :-P
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Re: Finding a wife post-peak

Unread postby holmes » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 14:39:20

UE, u are a prime PO babe! You gots the goods!
Aaron can explain these things better than us cretinous thugs. Hehe.
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