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Borrowing in the short-term playing for long

Unread postby Kylon » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 18:33:37

If the dollar is about to collapse, wouldn't it be wise, to borrow a huge amount of money, then invest it in something like gold, or silver, or oil, then when the dollar collapses, sell some of the oil, and since the dollar collapses, and it's value goes to squat, then repay the debt?

I mean, if we knew when the dollar was going to collapse, it would be an easy fortune.

Some one borrows large amounts of money, then they invest in commodities that won't depreciate in value, then as the dollar depreciates horribly in value, so does their debt.

If the dollar collapses by 50%, or 70%, then so does the debt, then the debt can be paid back at lower rate than invested.

What does everyone think?
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Re: Borrowing in the short-term playing for long

Unread postby Jack » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 18:50:35

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')I mean, if we knew when the dollar was going to collapse, it would be an easy fortune.


If you knew the dollar was going to collapse....AND you knew when....AND you knew the general shape of the curve...then yes, it would be an easy fortune.

The problem is, you cannot know any of this unless you control, say, China's currency trading desk.

The list of destitute former commodity investors is long.

As one commodity broker friend commented: "I took him out of a mansion and put him into a trailer."
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Re: Borrowing in the short-term playing for long

Unread postby Kylon » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 20:00:08

What will probably happen is whichever political party has all the power is going to do this, but tip off their friends/contibutors to the whole process, so their friends make a fortune, while the rest of us are messed over. :cry:
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Re: Borrowing in the short-term playing for long

Unread postby pitzel » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 03:00:20

The Canadian government gives its citizens a massive tax deduction for doing exactly this -- borrowing fiat currency, and investing into hard assets and businesses.

On an after-tax basis, once the tax credit has been incorporated into the calculation, it costs than the rate of inflation to borrow.

The key is, of course, to not go too crazy with such borrowing/investing. Because there will be fluctuations in the market, and an ill-timed margin call can destroy a lot of capital very quickly.

Of course, you need to already own some investments up-front to make it work, because no bank will give you a loan on favourable terms without placing at least some quality liquid collateral down.
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Re: Borrowing in the short-term playing for long

Unread postby Anthrobus » Mon 05 Jun 2006, 17:13:09

Kylon,

among investors a favourite quotation ist that "the market can stay irrational for a longer time than you can stay available with your money"

A slightly better investment would be to buy a million tons of oil and store it somewhere safe for several years. At least, if you believe in peak oil.
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