[lutherquick]

Know what our oil costs.
WMD or democracy has nothing to do with it.

48 Meg: http://www.novakeo.com/news/video/baghdader100.wmv

Shame on Bush that America's kids need to die for oil.

Damn it !!!! What does Bush think this is? Some VC funded company to bankrupt like the many others Bush did? These are America's kids dieing because old men in Washington DC are afraid of modernizing the US economy. Old men holding on to old wealth when new wealth is better by shaking the oil import habits. The PNAC group are responsible. The blood is on Bush's hands and his wmd fairy tale.

[kam30en]

Luther, are American lives more important to you than the lives of foreigners. There is a war in Congo that has claimed the lives of millions of people in the last few years. Talk about this. It is the deadliest war (by far) on the planet since WWII. And guess what, Bush and America have nothing to do with it. The war in Congo makes the Iraq war look like two little girls fighting over a doll. In fact, with so few deaths, it's barely a war at all. 1.5 million people die every year from car accidents worldwide. And I bet more people die every month from choking on chicken bones than have died in the entire Iraq war.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/p ... html/1.stm

[meekoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', 'L')uther, are American lives more important to you than the lives of foreigners. There is a war in Congo that has claimed the lives of millions of people in the last few years. Talk about this. It is the deadliest war (by far) on the planet since WWII. And guess what, Bush and America have nothing to do with it. The war in Congo makes the Iraq war look like two little girls fighting over a doll. In fact, with so few deaths, it's barely a war at all. 1.5 million people die every year from car accidents worldwide. And I bet more people die every month from choking on chicken bones than have died in the entire Iraq war.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/p ... html/1.stm

[lutherquick]

kam30en,

My part time mission is to expose that Bush is a liar... that Bush had other agendas... that wmd or democracy having to do with it...

I will not argue that other places, or other dictators are worse than my dictator Bush...

kam30en go back to your video games.

[OilyMon]

I think when trying to establish just cause neither regime comes out looking any better.

I think justification is lacking in both the Congo killings and the Iraq "occupation".

Juystifying the Iraqi war by suggesting that car accidents cause more deaths per month is like saying that people who die in car accidents deserve to die for driving cars. Do people who are involved in wars deserve to die for being involved in wars? It's not the choice of either the Iraqi people or the American soldiers to be involved in this war whether they welcome it or not.

Geonicide, like the kind of which is taking place in the Congo is incomparable to the war in Iraq. The Congo genocides are an attempt to eliminate an entire race of PEOPLE. The war in Iraq is an attempt to eliminate an entire instance of a sovreign economy. Neither are justifiable especially when held together as co-justification for violence.

Imagine your neighbour had a really powerful computer, and you had no means of obtaining anything like they had. You at one point in the past had a great computer but you did not anticipate an increase in demand for computing power or a need to preserve and optimize your current computing power, so you sold all of your available time on your computer to others for a fraction of the cost your neighbour was able to sell theirs. Would you be justified to storm their house and sieze their computer takign their processing time for yourself?

I just wonder why the laws in the US are easily and UNDERSTANDIBLY applied to citizens, why they should not apply to the rest of the world and citizens of other economies/cultures/countries. It does not make sense to me that your neighbour with the computer is protected, when your neighbour with the oil is not despite their specific concerns and goals.

You might be jealous of your neighbour with the ultra-fast computer, but you still would not be justified stealing it from them or moving into their house so that you had constant access to it!