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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 11 May 2006, 08:13:54

Yes, I should have stopped replying to this thread a long time ago (don't feed the troll). I erased my last posts and want to apologise to everyone for any disturbance I may have caused.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 11 May 2006, 10:05:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'Y')es, I should have stopped replying to this thread a long time ago (don't feed the troll). I erased my last posts and want to apologise to everyone for any disturbance I may have caused.


Apology accepted.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 12 May 2006, 02:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '.')..Welcome to the "smart" side of the fence. Make sure you bring enough bread so you can break it off and feed it to the pigeons like Lighthouse and Zardoz.


Swaggering digital tough guys, struttin' their stuff via code. Oh so scary and hard as they tap away on that keyboard! Ya gotta love 'em!

(Your first guess is correct, SS. This is definitely kid stuff.)
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Lighthouse » Fri 12 May 2006, 11:08:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '.')..

Ya gotta love 'em!

(Your first guess is correct, SS. This is definitely kid stuff.)


For a while, than it becomes boring ...
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 12 May 2006, 14:34:23

Truly some wise discussion going on in this thread.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Wednesday » Wed 17 May 2006, 15:24:04

Gosh, when I saw this thread had gone to 9 pages, I was hoping for some humor.


I want a T-shirt that says:

I read this whole thread and all I got was a lousy Kubrick quote.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby parsifal » Thu 18 May 2006, 13:46:21

It is not escapist to think in these terms. We are tribal, primordial beasts. Seriously, the intuition that is "Spirtus Mundi" is sending out the transmission waves of imminent upheaval.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 18 May 2006, 23:20:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'G')osh, when I saw this thread had gone to 9 pages, I was hoping for some humor.


I want a T-shirt that says:

I read this whole thread and all I got was a lousy Kubrick quote.


An I want one: I tried to reason, and all I got was a lousy Kubrick quote ...
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby ClassicSpiderman » Fri 26 May 2006, 01:53:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'A')m I mad to think that a "hard crash" might be preferable?

At least we will get a chance to string up [or at least ignore] tax inspectors and their grasping ilk.


I think it's quite a healthy outlook. In the 'soft landing' scenario (slow economic collapse) we'll see large multinationals gobbling up peoples' houses and force them to work for slave wages in the new globo tech plantation.

At least with a hard crash (SHTF) I'll be secure in the knowledge that a few of the talking heads and elites getting their comeuppance as the zombie horde tramples roughshod over them.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby kingmza » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 12:57:34

The benefit I see of owning land is that you can legally set yourself up right now without being hassled so you are a bit more prepared when it does hit, whereas Joe No-land has to wait until the crash to start setting up camp.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 20:43:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kingmza', '.')..You could do this today if you wanted to because of free will but eventually somebody would come along and kick you off -- but after stuff hits the fan it is ALL GOOD.


No. Just the opposite: It will be all bad.

You settle on that nice piece of land. You dig the well, build a house, clear the land, get your crops in, etc.

Then, one fine morning you walk out your front door, yawn, stretch, and get a .308 slug right through your heart. Your body is disposed of, and your murderers move in.

If TS does in fact HTF, and law and order breaks down, how will those of you who envision a wilderness idyll manage to defend yourselves from those who will be lying in wait, ready to pick you off and take what you have built?
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 23:39:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '.')..

You settle on that nice piece of land. You dig the well, build a house, clear the land, get your crops in, etc.

Then, one fine morning you walk out your front door, yawn, stretch, and get a .308 slug right through your heart. Your body is disposed of, and your murderers move in.

If TS does in fact HTF, and law and order breaks down, how will those of you who envision a wilderness idyll manage to defend yourselves from those who will be lying in wait, ready to pick you off and take what you have built?


Maybe, but if you have strong ties with your local community it will be very hard to settle on your land after they have killed you.

Remember there is no such a thing as self sufficiency. You always need others to share, to barter, to help and to get helped, to survive. Yo can not have all the skills needed to have a nice live after TSHTF. That's what a strong community is for.

If one member of the community is killed by some outsiders, who move in and live then on his property, the community will definitely take care of this thread.

Again they can not survive alone ... and they have to sleep now and then ...

Secondly I doubt that hordes of heavily armed but weak and hungry zombies out of a abandoned city will have the energy to take over some land or the skills to farm it. I think most of will fight over the last resources in the city and will not make it to the outer suburbs.

I do not say it will not happen, but I'm saying it's not very likely that it will happen.

And you always have a couple of good rifles plus ammunition on a farm anyway ...
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 02 Jun 2006, 00:57:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '.')..Secondly I doubt that hordes of heavily armed but weak and hungry zombies out of an abandoned city will have the energy to take over some land or the skills to farm it. I think most of will fight over the last resources in the city and will not make it to the outer suburbs...


Come on, that's just silly. In a true Mad Max scenario, there won't be a safe place to be on this entire planet. Any notion that there might be is wishful thinking.
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Re: I think I might prefer a "hard crash" ...

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 02 Jun 2006, 01:52:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '.')..Secondly I doubt that hordes of heavily armed but weak and hungry zombies out of an abandoned city w..


Come on, that's just silly. In a true Mad Max scenario, there won't be a safe place to be on this entire planet. Any notion that there might be is wishful thinking.


Thats completely true, it will be a wasteland full of the corpses of those who found themselves landless and skillless when the house of cards came tumbling down.

Things won't be safe for the rural farms either, but I can't forsee forceful takeovers as ever resulting in anything other than the death of the one who took the land by force. Will some morons try? Sure. Will some farmers be sniped by one of the landless? No doubt. Will that landless person be alive for more than a week if he steps foot on that farmers land? Not a chance.

American history is full to the bream with accounts, not just of bravery to protect land, but of absolute, ruthless, killing efficiency; in every scenario I can put together of roaming bands of landless thugs, all I get after putting them on a map is a bunch of dead thugs, a few dead farmers, and some damaged buildings. Now, as I've said, a military battalion or something would be different, but the farmers reaction to them would also be different, they'd throw them a fiesta and a parade.
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