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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 24 May 2006, 01:20:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'w')ell- because i am sure that you are completely green and have in no way participated in the consumption of fossil fuels and of course have not profitted from the peakoil situation, why i would say it is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. that is what this "guy"thinks anyway.

Can you read? I specifically stated I realize this but enjoy the shaming of them nonetheless.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby worrier » Wed 24 May 2006, 01:22:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')emember that people owning Hummers and other SUV/large truck type personal transportation vehicles generally suffer from gluttony and one should interact with them as one would with anyone with a serious personality disorder.

I'm no fan of those urban tanks, but I do think that some people have them because they're rather scared drivers and the big tank makes them feel safe.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby seldom_seen » Wed 24 May 2006, 02:12:00

a handful of caltrops scattered about would provide a greater since of satisfaction and accomplishment imho.

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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 24 May 2006, 09:08:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'L')et's say I'm crossing the street and (after I'm out of his way) I just flip off some guy driving a Hummer and say "thanks for supporting Al-Qaeda, asshole!!!" or something along those lines. ... Note that I don't blame Hummer drivers for our predicament. I understand it's much more complicated than that. Nonetheless, I sort of like the idea of shaming them as they drive around.

You never struck me as one to lash out randomly based on emotions.
Maybe your not quite as educated and rational as I had first thought.......
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby clover » Wed 24 May 2006, 09:21:19

I would argue that it's always been socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers... bonus points if they're pulling out of a Walmart when you see them.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Wed 24 May 2006, 09:35:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'w')ell- because i am sure that you are completely green and have in no way participated in the consumption of fossil fuels and of course have not profitted from the peakoil situation, why i would say it is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.
that is what this "guy"thinks anyway.

Can you read? I specifically stated I realize this but enjoy the shaming of them nonetheless.

actually i can read and nowhere in your post did you "specifically" state that you are completely green, have in no was participated in the consumption of fossil fuels and have not proffited from peakoil. what you said was
"Note that I don't blame Hummer drivers for our predicament. I understand it's much more complicated than that"
and more to the point, what is the point? do you really think that your gesture shames the drivers? and why hummers? what about people that drive suburbans? or the guy that drives 80 miles one way to work...do you try to figure out who he is so you can flip him the bird too? or the lady at home depot on sunday afternoon who has been there three times already? where does your self rightousness spring from?
and i am sure you realize the the rest of the world is looking at the US with their collective middle finger pointing our way, right?

in my very humble opinion this sort of thing seems like a parlor trick that is a waste of your time, abilities and somewhat elevated profile at the very time when we hardly need more us vs them mentality.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 24 May 2006, 10:01:59

I'm not exactly big on social procedure. I've been flipping off hummer drivers for years. Especially when they are sitting in the drive through lanes at McDonalds. It's wildly entertaining.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Wed 24 May 2006, 10:14:06

I'm English, so to me "Flipping off" sounds like something a lady would enjoy on a night of alone time.
I'm guessing it means "up yours" with the single finger, so yes, hummer drivers do deserve it.
Smokers get shouted down everywhere, so I would say go for it. (of course make sure you are out of run-down range before you let fly.)
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:04:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'L')et's say I'm crossing the street and (after I'm out of his way) I just flip off some guy driving a Hummer and say "thanks for supporting Al-Qaeda, asshole!!!" or something along those lines. ...
Note that I don't blame Hummer drivers for our predicament. I understand it's much more complicated than that. Nonetheless, I sort of like the idea of shaming them as they drive around.

You never struck me as one to lash out randomly based on emotions.
Maybe your not quite as educated and rational as I had first thought.......

Pot calling the kettle white my friend.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:07:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'w')ell- because i am sure that you are completely green and have in no way participated ...

in my very humble opinion this sort of thing seems like a parlor trick that is a waste of your time, abilities and somewhat elevated profile at the very time when we hardly need more us vs them mentality.

Thanks for the advice. I'll do my best to sit on a stick and get it as far up my ass as possible.
My questions was not "is this a productive thing to do?" Of course it isn't. My question was "is this type of thing socially acceptable now?"

Whether it is socially accetable or not is sort of a signpost on the road to petrocollapse.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:10:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')'m not exactly big on social procedure. I've been flipping off hummer drivers for years. Especially when they are sitting in the drive through lanes at McDonalds. It's wildly entertaining.

Okay great. That's not my question as you are unlikely to be representative of society at large. You (and many on this board) are likely what you call "early adopters" of the peak oil/collapse/oil dependence is bad meme(s).
Let me repeat my question but with a bit more clarity: Is it socially accetable by society at large to flip off hummer drivers just for the heck of it?
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby erl » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:18:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'L')et me repeat my question but with a bit more clarity: Is it socially accetable by society at large to flip off hummer drivers just for the heck of it?

Okay, here's a straitforward answer:
No. It's not socially acceptable.
The action of flipping someone off reflects more on the person waving his/her finger than on the target.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:22:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I')'ll do my best to sit on a stick and get it as far up my ass as possible.

I'd pay a buck to see that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'M')y question was "is this type of thing socially acceptable now?"

i would supposed that it depends on who you associate with socially. fortunately for me, the folks i associate would likely say no, it is not socially acceptable...and not because they are hummer drivers, but because they were brought up with more than a scintilla of good grace and manners.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:47:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'y')ou are unlikely to be representative of society at large.

Sure I am! I'm an arrogant, self-centred asshole who is just smart enough to be dangerous, and who's only concern is his own well-being. I don't think it gets more representative than that... :lol:
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby Grifter » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:47:56

In the UK it is still a sign of success to be on overt consumer of as much as possible, so no, it is not socially acceptable to flip a hummer driver off. (I agree with BSG, it sounds kinky).

However, if the hummer driver is blocking the road during the school run then it is acceptable to beat the living crap out of them.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby highlander » Wed 24 May 2006, 11:58:47

no
do you own a motor vehicle?
do you have anything made from plastic?
do you travel?
You can bash suburbanites, suv's and other american excesses, but you are really a hypocrit if you do.
Or you could you live in a large city, dependent on public works and transportation and other government largess, smugly looking out of the prison of your own choosing.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 24 May 2006, 12:17:03

No I don't flip off anyone in Texas, they might be armed. I take satisfaction from the knowledge at looking credit reports all day at work, that most of them are all Big Hat and No Cattle.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 24 May 2006, 12:25:47

I think a lot of things will become socially acceptable in time: shooting stray dogs and cats for dinner, for instance. Digging up the lawn to find earthworms, etc.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 24 May 2006, 12:34:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'n')o ... Or you could you live in a large city, dependent on public works and transportation and other government largess, smugly looking out of the prison of your own choosing.

Thanks for going off on a tangent and not answering the question.
I"m not asking "is it hypocrtical?" Yes, of course it is. But determining the degree of hypocracy present in the act is not the point of my question.
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