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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Unread postby VMA131Marine » Wed 23 Nov 2005, 14:45:44

Corsi is either an idiot or he counts on the people who read and believe his stuff being idiots. His latest article - I guess that he is trying to sell his book - is titled "Finally, an international conference on abiotic oil"

here's the link

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47551

In the article, he touts the AAPG Origin of Petroleum Conference on this past June as being about abiotic oil. But, he obviously didn't even read most of the abstracts for the conference (very interesting by the way - http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/docum ... /index.htm) almost all of which document evidence that petroleum is mostly biogenic, e.g:

http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/docum ... /mello.htm

Petroleum scientists have always searched for new trustful technologies to provide valuable evidences regarding the origin of hydrocarbons found in sedimentary basins and metamorphic areas around the globe. Present-day analysis of petroleum systems, when performed integrated with direct geochemistry, remote sense and high resolution geochemistry technology (HRGT), can provide irrefutable proof that 99.99999% of all the oil and gas accumulations found up to know in the planet earth have a biologic origin. The technologies can be so accurate and useful that they can predict pre-drilling insights regarding the quality and potential volumes of hydrocarbons to be found, including deep gas reservoirs, oil versus gas prone areas, degree of oil and gas cracking and of mixture of hydrocarbons derived from different sources, from different petroleum systems.

You don't get any sense of the true nature of the conference from Corsi's article. As Bugs Bunny would say "What a maroon!"
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Unread postby Free » Wed 23 Nov 2005, 15:29:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMA131Marine', 'C')orsi is either an idiot or he counts on the people who read an believe his stuff being idiots. His latest article - I guess that he is trying to sell his book - is titled "Finally, an international conference on abiotic oil"


Let's just call them abiots, that says it all, it's a worse insult and we can't be sued.
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Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby BO » Tue 23 May 2006, 13:59:53

Greg Palast, whom I used to respect, has written a hitpiece on peakniks that Jerome Corsi, and Peter Huber would be proud of. Some Gems:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n his 1956 paper, Hubbert wrote: On the basis of the present estimates of the ultimate reserves of world petroleum and natural gas, it appears that the culmination of world production of these products should occur within a half a century [i.e., by 2006].
So get in your Hummer and take your last drive, Clive. Sometime during 2006, we will have used up every last drop of crude oil on the planet. We’re not talking “decline” in oil from a production “peak,” we’re talking “culmination,” completely gone, kaput, dead out of crude—and not enough natural gas left to roast a weenie. In his 1956 treatise, Hubbert wrote that Planet Earth could produce not a drop more than one and a quarter trillion barrels of crude.

Talk about disengenuous, he literally lies about what hubbert was saying, claiming the "we're running out" bullshit, and using the word "culmination", which Hubbbert is referring to maximum production, not running out, obviously.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n all fairness to the Hubbert Heads, there’s a more sophisticated, updated version of Hubbert’s theory. This is where the “peak” concept comes in. In this version of the Hubbert scripture, we ignore his dead wrong prediction of total crude available and look only at the up and down shape of his curve, the “peak.” The amount of oil discovered each year, Hubbert posited, will stop rising by 2000, then will crash rapidly toward zero when we will have used up our allotted 1.25 trillion barrels. We haven’t crashed or even peaked. Oil production has risen year after year after year and discoveries have more than kept pace.

Nevertheless, like believers undaunted by the failure of alien spaceships to take them to Mars on the date predicted, Peak enthusiasts keep moving the date of the oil apocalypse further into the future. In the new, revisionist models of Hubbert’s prediction, the high point in the curve of discoverable oil on our planet will come in a decade or so. Though we have a reprieve, goes the new theory, still, we’re running out of crude, dude! There’s only another twenty years left in proven reserves! Oh, my! “It’s true that there’s only twenty years’ supply left—and that’s been true for the last hundred years,” Lewis Lapham told me over a decent sauterne at Five Points. (He more often sups at Elaine’s, but I don’t rate that.) Lapham of Harper’s magazine is the only editor in the hemisphere with hard knowledge of the petroleum market, insight he inherited legitimately: His family helped found Mobil Oil, the back half of what is now Exxon Mobil.

What is so egregious, is that he doesn't just lie about the theory, he basically claims "reserve growth" to be tantamount to "production", and, of course, his "expert" is a journalist from Harper's magazine. What a bunch of crap, he hasn't even done a cursory examination of the data, since he actually said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il production has risen year after year after year and discoveries have more than kept pace.

Really funny stuff: [url=http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2295/No_Peaking_The_Hubbert_Humbug]/url]
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby clueless » Tue 23 May 2006, 14:36:01

Journalists are forced to write whatever sells papers, books and magazines. "The world as we know it ending" story doesn't sell when the evidence presented is so absolute, concrete and "unprovaticave".

If it were a murky conspriricy theory like Alex Jones or Jerome Corsi that is based on no factual or historical evidence, Peak Oil would sell papers and books like there was no tomorrow.

I like how Heinberg said it - The truth doesn't sell well, the fantasy is what sells.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby BO » Tue 23 May 2006, 14:51:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')orenzo claimed to be a socialist. These people have a different way of looking at the world, actually much more conspiratorial than peak oilers :-D


So true, and I suspect Palast, despite the fact that he apparantly has been banished from US media, still believes that we simply need to elect a "Kerry" or god help us "Hillary" in order to make things right. No need need to talk about re-thinking our habits. Greg just can't picture a world where he can't jet around the globe, fighting the class wars.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:12:35

I am so unfucking-believably disappointed with Greg Palast.

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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:15:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')orenzo claimed to be a socialist. These people have a different way of looking at the world, actually much more conspiratorial than peak oilers :-D
So true, and I suspect Palast, despite the fact that he apparantly has been banished from US media, still believes that we simply need to elect a "Kerry" or god help us "Hillary" in order to make things right. No need need to talk about re-thinking our habits. Greg just can't picture a world where he can't jet around the globe, fighting the class wars.

Yeah, Greg's subtle message is "you can still have paradise, just elect a socialist!!!"

I say socialist because he seems to be a fan of Hugo Chavez.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:18:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')orenzo claimed to be a socialist. These people have a different way of looking at the world, actually much more conspiratorial than peak oilers :-D
So true, and I suspect Palast, despite the fact that he apparantly has been banished from US media, still believes that we simply need to elect a "Kerry" or god help us "Hillary" in order to make things right. No need need to talk about re-thinking our habits. Greg just can't picture a world where he can't jet around the globe, fighting the class wars.

Yeah, Greg's subtle message is "you can still have paradise, just elect a socialist!!!"

As Jay pointed out a long time ago, if the left (including Greenpeace, the Sierra Club) admit Peak Oil is real, then they are basically out of a job.

Example of this in action: 5 years ago, I probably would have bought a book from Palast, a video from Alex Jones, etc. Now, I funnel all my money into various peak oil preps. Sure, I still buy books and videos but they are things like "when technology fails" and "gas syphoning for dummies."
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P.S. Note: "for dummies" is a licensed trademark of John Wiley and Sons Publishers. My use of the term in the above message is purely for humor purposes only and not intended to imply that John Wiley and Sons (whom I do business with regularly) have published a "for dummies" book on gasoline syphoning.
I say socialist because he seems to be a fan of Hugo Chavez.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby BO » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:22:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') am so unfucking-believably disappointed with Greg Palast.

Matt, that is exactly my point, this sort of nonsense you would expect from some, but Greg Palast? It is almost like he has been compromised. I mean, seriously:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Why in the world would oil companies, or any company, announce that there’s lots of its product out there? You’d bust your own market. It’s better to say the cupboard’s bare.”


Lets see, what is Exxon-Mobil saying? link
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby dub_scratch » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:24:16

Palast is a reporter with an axe to grind. His latest conspiracy tale is that the Iraq invasion was done in order to keep Saddam from flooding the world with cheap oil and that Bush & co wanted to create an artificially tight supply in order to pad the wallets of big oil

Listen to this:
http://tinyurl.com/fmnqx

I think he is full of shit. His latest attack on peak oil probably is because it is inconvenient to his conspiracy theory about Bush trying to screw Joe Sixpack and make Exxon even more rich. It's populist propaganda.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby BO » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:40:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', '
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I think he is full of shit. His latest attack on peak oil probably is because it is inconvenient to his conspiracy theory about Bush trying to screw Joe Sixpack and make Exxon even more rich. It's populist propaganda.


Yeah, but what is so funny is that Exxon Mobil AGREES with him!
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:43:14

Me, disappointed, too. And you wonder why I run screaming from politics?

You know, another lefty-turned-twat, Alex Cockburn, has taken the same smart-ass tack.

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The Virtues of Gas Guzzling:
Why I Don't Believe in "Peak Oil"

Since I don't believe in "peak oil" (the notion that world production is peaking and will soon slide, plunging the world into economic chaos) and regard oil "shortages" as contrivances by the oil companies and allied brokers and middlemen to run up the price, I fill my aging fleet of 50s and 60s era Chryslers with a light heart, although for longer trips these days I fill an 82 Mercedes 240D with diesel. True, diesel these days costs more than high-octane gasoline but the Mercedes gets 35 miles to the gallon, whereas the 59 Imperial ragtop and the 62 Belevedere wagon get around 18 mpg, which is still way ahead of the SUVs.


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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:44:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'P')alast is a reporter with an axe to grind. His latest conspiracy tale is that the Iraq invasion was done in order to keep Saddam from flooding the world with cheap oil and that Bush & co wanted to create an artificially tight supply in order to pad the wallets of big oil

Listen to this:
http://tinyurl.com/fmnqx

I think he is full of shit. His latest attack on peak oil probably is because it is inconvenient to his conspiracy theory about Bush trying to screw Joe Sixpack and make Exxon even more rich. It's populist propaganda.


There is some truth to Palast theories, possibly.

His idea that peakers say "Bush invaded Iraq to get OUR oil for us" is a strawman argument. None of us are saying that because none of us is stupid enough to think Bush cares about anybody but his cronies.

Here's a possible theory. Impossible to prove definitevly but worth considering/discussing:

1. Bush Co care only about the proifts of Big Oil and friends.

2. Big Oil and friends got nowhere to get more oil under their control except the following place: Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia. These are the places with nationalized oil companies.

3. Increasing profits, shareholder value means you need to keep getting more oil fields in production, under your control/influence etc.

4. Hence, the invasion/occupation. The french and Chinese companies that Saddam had given contracts got tossed out so Bush and friends could make money from the oil fields.

5. HEre's where Peak Oil comes in: if there were decent discovery opportunities out there, the motivation to get the Iraq oil would be much less. Why get involved in a messy war in order to make money from controlling new oil fields when you can just go do some wildcatting in a nice semi-stable or friendly parts of the world?

Problem is the oil in the nice semi-stable or friendly parts is either used up or already under your control. So to Iraq we go.

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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 15:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'M')e, disappointed, too. And you wonder why I run screaming from politics?

You know, another lefty-turned-twat, Alex Cockburn, has taken the same smart-ass tack.


Killjoy,

I love the whole "guzzling gas can be a revoltionary act!!!" bit. Good lord, where does one even start deconstructing such poppycock?

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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby keehah » Tue 23 May 2006, 16:14:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') love the whole "guzzling gas can be a revoltionary act!!!" bit. Good lord, where does one even start deconstructing such poppycock?


Same crap the US public has been eating up for years. Not much different than "going into debt buying near usless stuff from China is patriotic" because it keeps the US (service) economy growing.
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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 16:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'M')ay be simplifying but: today socialists are city people, white-collar types. They don't understand really production and that includes thermodynamics and agriculture.

Why the greens seperated off from the socialists: the Greens have an understanding of ecology and the role that landscape has on culture. The socialists don't understand human nature either, they believe that a workers' paradise is possible with the right technology.

I'd love to see a real Prairie Populist Party arise again. It will when people are forced back onto the land. :-D


What I find interesting is the similarites between the major parties:

Repubs: don't understand ecology/landscape, do understand human nature

Dems: don't understand ecology/landscape, don't understand human nature

Socialits: don't understand ecology/landscpae, don't understand human nature

Greens: do understand ecology/landscape, don't understand human nature

Interesting that Roscoe Bartlett, a Repub, came to this understanding. He grew up farming and then went into physics so I guess it makes sense.

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Re: Greg Palast has joined the ranks of Jerome Corsi

Unread postby clueless » Tue 23 May 2006, 16:43:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', ' ') HEre's where Peak Oil comes in: if there were decent discovery opportunities out there, the motivation to get the Iraq oil would be much less. Why get involved in a messy war in order to make money from controlling new oil fields when you can just go do some wildcatting in a nice semi-stable or friendly parts of the world?

Problem is the oil in the nice semi-stable or friendly parts is either used up or already under your control. So to Iraq we go.


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Dude - Karen Kwiatkowski said it point blank. If we, the US and Britian, who are over the same barrel in regards to energy didn't invade Iraq when we did, it would have been filled with foreign contractors and we couldn't bomb their already pre-stone age existence anymore. It was either now or never from the Neo-Con point of view. (Edit - Sorry you already said that [smilie=sign12.gif])

But if Palast doesn't continue the Bush/Big Oil consipiricy he's out of a job, He said on his video he has been tracking the bush family all his career. If he discovers the final truth, party's over, right ?

I thought everybody allready knew oil has always been the center of the US empire, right ?
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