i think people count out people to easily

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 15:39:39

Problem with a community of people that "are in the know" is the tendency to develop elitism.

I've noted an incredible amount of posts by people that talk like "us" and "them"

ok, so you've all got a leg up on the competition... but frankly not THAT much.

step away from your farm plot, disel barrels, solar panels, and meager little gold horde for a second and think about human history.

yes, PO is an unprecedented big deal.

but what works on a small scale can and often does work on a big scale.

I want you to think back in recent history, Vietnam, WW2, the great depression, WW1...

all times of great great hardship, but life went on, because people, not just "the educated better" people, were galvanized into action.

yes it sucked, but think of this, england lost almost its entire male population in WW1... life went on. we're still here. the male birthrate skyrocketed afterwords by natural means we do not begin to understand.

The point is, yes shits going to hit the fan, but where the hell do you people get this angry mob, people going insane thing. How are you so much better that other people cant turn it around.

Look at my generation, i feel so much connection with the college age kids of the 60's. think of the 50's vs the 80's.

we're bored. our music sucks. our parents are generally consumed by meaningless crap. we have no culture. we have paris fucking hilton.

we're just WAITING for something to happen.

i'm not saying its going to be pretty, but what i am saying is historically large groups of people can unite around a cause and very quickly change their ways.

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 15:46:26

I'll stick to my generation because its what i know.

i know so many people that are just disinterested. look at drop out rates. we're aching for a challenge.

look at the youth of the 1960's, many dropped everything to rise to a challenge. look at the 1950's and WW2, the entire planet got behind a challenge.

honestly i have a love hate relationship with many people who know about PO.

its great you know its coming, but many of you (not all) are taking such a spineless/self serving approach.

its one thing if you've got a family. i understand that. otherwise have fun moving into your cabin in the woods. i'd rather get behind something and do something with this challenge other than hide from it. the strong will survive.

by **max_power29** » Mon 22 May 2006, 15:49:14

WHO CARES?

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 22 May 2006, 15:56:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', '
')The point is, yes shits going to hit the fan, but where the hell do you people get this angry mob

by **emersonbiggins** » Mon 22 May 2006, 15:59:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', 'I') want you to think back in recent history, Vietnam, WW2, the great depression, WW1...

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:02:46

ok, but look at the great depression.

granted this is will be worse, but fact is the majority of people rolled over.

i dont think the average person has it in them to be the angry mob. they're happier to live in a shanty town and eat gruel.

you think if large amounts of the US population was forced into great depression style living that wouldnt cut demand enough to maintain the government and military?

the nasty part being that alot of people will die due to starvation/disease... like i said cuttind demand. but they wont have it in them to maintain what is basically an LA riots scenario indefinetly.

yeah its shitty, but i find it more likely and appealing than what is essentially the plot to "28 days later"

i know you people like to quote africas situation... but africa never had a US military. they still have alota lota guns. somehow i prefer it to the slobbering zombie scenario.

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:08:29

also i know you like to quote the fact that our population is so much larger... especially with inner cities.

well i'll agree, the inner city is not going to be a happy place during food shortages and energy rationing.

however george bush won the last election, much of america does not live in inner cities.

inner cities, yes ugly already, uglier during hardship.

as a whole though, i cant see the average small(er) cities and towns with smaller issues with poverty sinking into chaos.

think about katrina. people hearded into a bigass dome almost starving to death for weeks. people dying on the side of the road.

there was of course looting and such, but riots? mobs? no, the majority of people just sat there and starved... f*uked up, but fact.

its almost sad. the average person i believe is going to be to weak from hardship before they realise they have to do something. they're own mortality is going to occur to late in the game for them to mentally transform themselves into a hungry wolf.

we're apes, not wolves.

by **emersonbiggins** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:12:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', 'o')k, but look at the great depression.

granted this is will be worse, but fact is the majority of people rolled over.

i dont think the average person has it in them to be the angry mob. they're happier to live in a shanty town and eat gruel.

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:16:20

good points, but i still have a problem with the transition from upset citizen to ruthless bloodthirsty hunter gatherer.

the point is we are raised in our pampered little society.

people back then were tough, we're not.

your saying this will result in more violence and turmoil. cannabilism and such...

i tend to envision people getting very upset then collapsing from malnurioshment.

the average person can hardly cook a meal without a microwave...

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:19:19

think about it... 60% of americans are obese.

you really think the same society that is to lazy and weak-willed to prevent an early grave by not supersizing their mcdonalds is going to turn into this raging hungy mob?

they can hardly run a quarter mile let alone engage in a fight for the death

i'm honestly not to afraid of mobs of lazy overweight suburbanites walking miles from town to town to rape and pillage. they'll get knee problems.

by **emersonbiggins** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:22:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', 't')here was of course looting and such, but riots? mobs? no, the majority of people just sat there and starved... f*uked up, but fact.

by **emersonbiggins** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:24:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', 't')hey can hardly run a quarter mile let alone engage in a fight for the death

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:26:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', '
')i'm honestly not to afraid of mobs of lazy overweight suburbanites walking miles from town to town to rape and pillage. they'll get knee problems.

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:32:08

what your saying is based on the fear rich people have had of the poor for as long as time itself.

rich white people are terrified of poor black people.

hilarity. why do you assume that they will somehow unite agaisnt the suburbs while the suburbs are in turmoil? they'll be to busy dealing with their own problems to organize raids into orange county.

what exactly are they coming to get? your pantry full of mac and cheese? your car with an empty gas tank?

your wrong about new orleans, there are richer white neighborhoods. they didnt attack them. its a ridiuclous proposition.

you treat poor minorities like they're a mongol horde in the making.

by **ashurbanipal** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:34:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'g')ranted this is will be worse, but fact is the majority of people rolled over.

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:37:36

yeah, but you guys dont seem to understand that the lean guy with a gun and much much more importantly, the balls to use it, is a rare rare thing these days. its one wolf surrounded by a thousand sheep.

only takes 1 lucky sheep to put down said wolf.

if your so worried about guns, buy your own.

and the inner cities, those are the same people you quoted earlier, people that are used to hardship.

hell our much of our immigrant population came from rural mexico... if thats not agro what is? they have less resources to survive but certainly more resolve.

but we agree on alot, shit will hit the fan.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:41:40

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')
I think part of the doomer scenario is that even shanty towns and gruel will be luxuries. Try cardboard boxes and snails. When the snails run out...

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:44:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ashurbanipal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'g')ranted this is will be worse, but
All correct, but I don't know why that's better than massive riots, roving gangs, local warlords, etc. I tend to think there will be some of both.

by **PrairieMule** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:47:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', 'g')ood points, but i still have a problem with the transition from upset citizen to ruthless bloodthirsty hunter gatherer.

the point is we are raised in our pampered little society.

people back then were tough, we're not.

your saying this will result in more violence and turmoil. cannabilism and such...

i tend to envision people getting very upset then collapsing from malnurioshment.

the average person can hardly cook a meal without a microwave...

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 16:50:16

prarie mule thats exactly what im saying.

so many people these days have been rasied and conditioned to be thuoght for, fed, and placed into a profession.

i dont like the idea of a die of, i just dont see the resolve in the average person to avoid it.

like i said, i dont like the consequences of PO but I almost welcome the challenge.

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