[howard]

Hi all,

Heres a concept for all you guys to think about.

1) Money / Power in this world is controlled by very few people. Most evidence surrounding this is related to the federal reserve system and how it was set up. - Also see what this guys thought of the bankers (1913 onwards became federal reserve):- Andrew Jackson (attempted assasination), Abraham Lincoln (assasinated), JFK (assasinated). Lots more info out there if you look for it!

2) The same money / power is primarily gained and reinforced via oil and wars (the wars require cash which the bankers lend to government). See what the Rothchilds did in the past and how they made money and took control of economies (Battle of Waterloo)

3) Theres alot of guys out there who seemed to have made genuine alternative energy sources(apart from oil) who have died or businesses have gone down the pan because of oil companies. (Nikola Tesla, Stanley Meyer) - http://www.broandrew.com/suppression.html (good link)

4) Whats happening in the world today? - Lots of wars / Virtually all economies based on oil. = More debt to elites.

5) How will these elites stay in power if oil starts to run dry? Finite resource number 2 - Nuclear power! http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/6656.html
- And what about cars with no oil? They will be electric/Hydro, therefore powered by the nuclear stations.

6) So ultimately we will all be still ruled by the same elite.

Any questions?

[howard]

If you guys are interested have a look at these related videos:

Points 1 + 2)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ve+history
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ve+history
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ve+history
(Three part, 3 hour video but very informative)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... nopoly+men
this one goes into less depth but still gets the point across.

Point 3)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ree+energy

Happy viewing!

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

You're right about money/power, and many "elite" (hate that term) being scummy assholes.

You are however, very very wrong about alternative sources of energy. Try running factories, moving large amounts of industrial material, making high grade metal alloys or nuclear power plants without oil. You'll soon find you can't do any of it because oil is not an option when it comes to industrial civilisation.

[howard]

But oil is not going to disappear it will just cost to much to be used for cars.... Therefore people will use electric alternative and the massive amount of oil not used in the car industry will easily accomodate for "factories, moving large amounts of industrial material, making high grade metal alloys or nuclear power plants".... (E.g. the govt net could easily give tax breaks for these types of industry).....

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

Is it that easy to just get rid of cars, that act would plundge millions into poverty and destroy the economy. I agree oil should only be used for vital uses, but its' getting there that will be the killer.

Read through the site, all these issues are discussed thoughly.

[deconstructionist]

you are correct that the world banking elites are running things. there is ample evidence that every major war since the Bank of England was established in 1694 has been influenced or outright caused by this central network of bankers. The Napoleonic Wars are a good example, so is WW I (the Lusitania was set up to be sank to bring America into the war on the side of the allies, more or less assuring victory and gartuneeing the loans made to the french and british by JP Morgan). WW II, more of the same with Pearl Harbon. Bolshevik Revolution? more of the same with most of the funding coming from this same network... the banking elites profit from both sides during every major war. and these wars would not have been possible without a central banking system and fractional reserve banks creating unlimited amounts of fiat currency to finance these wars.

The World Central Banking Cartel is the root cause.

[deconstructionist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', 'I') doubt that it is the same elite. While the old money still has its money, there are plenty of new money elite. Oil wealth benefited everybody, not just the old money. Just look at Bill Gates and friends. It also seems wrong to paint the elite as a cohesive group. Other than having lots of money, the Rothschilds and Cheneys and Sauds probably don’t have much in common.

[howard]

I just find it weird that even when these kind of facts are put in front of peoples faces they still wont buy it.....

[ShawnAvery]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('howard', 'I') just find it weird that even when these kind of facts are put in front of peoples faces they still wont buy it.....

[grabby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('howard', 'H')i all, Heres a concept for all you guys to think about.
1) Money / Power... Yes money is powerful.
2) The same money / power is primarily gained and reinforced via oil and wars (the wars require cash which the bankers lend to government). See what the Rothchilds did in the past and how they made money and took control of economies (Battle of Waterloo)
People do fight over money, yes.
3) Theres alot of guys out there who seemed to have made genuine alternative energy sources(apart from oil) who have died or businesses have gone down the pan because of oil companies. (Nikola Tesla, Stanley Meyer) -
Actually the alternate sources can't compete with oil so it looks like oil people quash it, but in reality they can't compete with it.
example, it is cheaper to run a wire from the dam to your house than make a tesla coil.
same with hydrogen, it just is too inefficient.
wires are more efficient at high voltage. PS Tesla already created the present system of power transfer anyway and it is the best we can do.
4) Whats happening in the world today? - Lots of wars / Virtually all economies based on oil. = More debt to elites.Oil is the only possible way to base any economy besides horses and oxen. all other technologies an't compete, too inneficient.
5) How will these elites stay in power if oil starts to run dry? Um, they won't, and they know it. Finite resource number 2 - Nuclear power!

Overall oil is much easier to run in an automobile than a nuclear reactor. - And what about cars with no oil? Too wasteful. ethanol is a ower waster, its cheaper to run oil and it always will be cheaper to run oil. as oil prices climb ethanol always climbs more, cause oil is what MAKES ethanol. Without oil there will not be ANY ethanol at all. No one willl tell you this its not a polite conversation at this time.They will be electric/Hydro, therefore powered by the nuclear stations. we can survive on electro hydro if we take 24 out of every 25 cars in the usa and take them to the dump If we make electric cheap light cars, then only the rich can run them because the total electric power grid we run today can only power 5 % of our needs. any more will cause it to totally collapse.
6) So ultimately we will all be still ruled by the same elite. No, ultimately there will be no more elite.
Any questions? I think you got it.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')ou are incorrect. they all share bloodlines.

[ubercynicmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'Y')ou're right about money/power, and many "elite" (hate that term) being scummy assholes.

You are however, very very wrong about alternative sources of energy. Try running factories, moving large amounts of industrial material, making high grade metal alloys or nuclear power plants without oil. You'll soon find you can't do any of it because oil is not an option when it comes to industrial civilisation.

[seven]

Those who make the rules of the game, control the game - as long as everyone keeps playing.

[perdition79]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seven', 'T')hose who make the rules of the game, control the game - as long as everyone keeps playing.

[howard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('howard', 'H')i all,

Heres a concept for all you guys to think about.

1) Money / Power...
Yes money is powerful.

---huh? thats not my point is it. whats urs?

2) The same money / power is primarily gained and reinforced via oil and wars (the wars require cash which the bankers lend to government). See what the Rothchilds did in the past and how they made money and took control of economies (Battle of Waterloo)
People do fight over money, yes.

---did u read up on what i said? what u talking about?

3) Theres alot of guys out there who seemed to have made genuine alternative energy sources(apart from oil) who have died or businesses have gone down the pan because of oil companies. (Nikola Tesla, Stanley Meyer) -
Actually the alternate sources can't compete with oil so it looks like oil people quash it, but in reality they can't compete with it.
example, it is cheaper to run a wire from the dam to your house than make a tesla coil.
same with hydrogen, it just is too inefficient.
wires are more efficient at high voltage. PS Tesla already created the present system of power transfer anyway and it is the best we can do.

---ok fair point. BUT - its cost a fortune to produce virtually anything with minimal complexity if it is not manufactured (e.g. in mass). thats the problem. if you actually read up on the fedreal reserve and the tactics they have used to keep power you would comprehend that technology suppression is a minor to them. Tesla went bankrupt becuase he was funded by the bloody elite (J. P. Morgan) who later pulled the plug on him..... STRANGE THAT! (yes there was an acciendent but the cause was never understood - Strange again)

4) Whats happening in the world today? - Lots of wars / Virtually all economies based on oil. = More debt to elites.
Oil is the only possible way to base any economy besides horses and oxen. all other technologies an't compete, too inneficient.

---So are you saying the world today was/is inevitable? There is has never been another option?

5) How will these elites stay in power if oil starts to run dry?

Um, they won't, and they know it.

---Errr they dont seem to be just rolling over if you ask me.

Finite resource number 2 - Nuclear power!

Overall oil is much easier to run in an automobile than a nuclear reactor.

---yes but when its start running out we have few options

- And what about cars with no oil?
Too wasteful. ethanol is a ower waster, its cheaper to run oil and it always will be cheaper to run oil. as oil prices climb ethanol always climbs more, cause oil is what MAKES ethanol.
Without oil there will not be ANY ethanol at all. No one willl tell you this its not a polite conversation at this time.

They will be electric/Hydro, therefore powered by the nuclear stations.

we can survive on electro hydro if we take 24 out of every 25 cars in the usa and take them to the dump.
If we make electric cheap light cars, then only the rich can run them because the total electric power grid we run today can only power 5 % of our needs. any more will cause it to totally collapse.

---but im talking about the future dude.... e.g. expanding the grid to enable that to happen. whats ur alternative option?


6) So ultimately we will all be still ruled by the same elite.

No, ultimately there will be no more elite.

---you think they will just roll over? yeah right.....

Any questions?
I think you got it.

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'Y')ou're right about money/power, and many "elite" (hate that term) being scummy assholes. You are however, very very wrong about alternative sources of energy. Try running factories, moving large amounts of industrial material, making high grade metal alloys or nuclear power plants without oil. You'll soon find you can't do any of it because oil is not an option when it comes to industrial civilisation.

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '6')) So ultimately we will all be still ruled by the same elite.

[howard]

did u watch/ read the links i added mrbill?

i dont know what ur talking about if im honest.

do you?

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('howard', 'd')id u watch/ read the links i added mrbill?

i dont know what ur talking about if im honest.

do you?