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Unread postby KevO » Sat 20 May 2006, 10:37:29

I know a lot do but this guy is something else.
He is a true American and I mean a true American
I don't know how to attach it here but if you go to the link below and then scroll down to 'comments', it's the top video in a post from 'Miguel'

who is he?
the next president?

http://www.myspace.com/kevollier


:)

be sure to pause the music on the left first before pressing the play

enjoy!
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby tijuana_miguel » Sat 20 May 2006, 10:50:50

Alternatively, this is the direct link to the video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2301548481



The other interesting vid is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6037282293
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby KevO » Sat 20 May 2006, 11:01:46

thanks Tijuana Miguel!

that's better. I didn't really want all these weird peak oil types looking at my 'my space' anyway !! :-D :wink:

great vid btw - if only Americans would actually take notice then maybe the Brits might follow!
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 20 May 2006, 11:18:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 't')hanks Tijuana Miguel!

that's better. I didn't really want all these weird peak oil types looking at my 'my space' anyway !! :-D :wink:

great vid btw - if only Americans would actually take notice then maybe the Brits might follow!


Thats your myspace account?
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 20 May 2006, 11:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat kind of "bar" has skinny books lining the wall? The guy is saying nothing but agitating against the wealthy. What is a rafta-trouvador?. Steve has no conception of solutions except . . . steal from the rich.


Thats pretty much what I got from it.
"blah blah....STEAL FROM THE RICH....blah blah blah"

Hey buddy, you can call it sharing or helping or whatever you want to, but at the end of the day what you MEAN is STEAL it from them. Piece of shit, no wonder hes in for evaluation.
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby KevO » Sat 20 May 2006, 11:44:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat kind of "bar" has skinny books lining the wall? The guy is saying nothing but agitating against the wealthy. What is a rafta-trouvador?. Steve has no conception of solutions except . . . steal from the rich.


Thats pretty much what I got from it.
"blah blah....STEAL FROM THE RICH....blah blah blah"

Hey buddy, you can call it sharing or helping or whatever you want to, but at the end of the day what you MEAN is STEAL it from them. Piece of shit, no wonder hes in for evaluation.


Hey Specop. I see you're on form ranting from the opposing corner....as usual.
The guy is right.
I wouldn't call it stealing, I'd call it getting back what belongs to _some_ of you

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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 20 May 2006, 11:46:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat kind of "bar" has skinny books lining the wall? The guy is saying nothing but agitating against the wealthy. What is a rafta-trouvador?. Steve has no conception of solutions except . . . steal from the rich.


Thats pretty much what I got from it.
"blah blah....STEAL FROM THE RICH....blah blah blah"

Hey buddy, you can call it sharing or helping or whatever you want to, but at the end of the day what you MEAN is STEAL it from them. Piece of shit, no wonder hes in for evaluation.


Hey Specop. I see you're on form ranting from the opposing corner....as usual.
The guy is right.
I wouldn't call it stealing, I'd call it getting back what belongs to _some_ of you

:)


Ranting? About what? Ranting is the video that was posted.
You wouldnt call it stealing?? What the hell would you call it? Oh I know..."Wealth redistribution".
Still stealing.
As for getting back what belongs to you....Ah yes. The entitlement belief. Right. Because your oh so fucking special the world owes you something. Since you cant get it for yourself and its [i]owed/[i] to you it should just be taken from someone else right?
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby KevO » Sat 20 May 2006, 11:57:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '[')
As for getting back what belongs to you....Ah yes. The entitlement belief. Right. Because your oh so fucking special the world owes you something. Since you cant get it for yourself and its [i]owed/[i] to you it should just be taken from someone else right?


yes and no.
the world owes me nothing.

It is a bad situaution that the richest country in the world has such third world poverty. Look at NO after Katrina.
Now we all know that some minorities, which now includes white americans are at the behest of the rich and their desire systems, and regardles of how hard they try the system is set to fuck em and to keep them fucked. The USA being a particularly oppressed nation now which suits the fascists in the country (republicans, 'chrisitians' and their voters). The guy at the vid is a true American, the sort of guy who would have been present at the signing of the constitution that you let go of.
He's obviously hyped and still making sense - a rare combination, even for Americans who are just so dumb downed, at least thay are portrayed that way now in the world's media.
To speak loudly seems to make you a terorrist now thanks to the neocon plan. (ID cards and retina scans are coming your way to, i mean who will oppose it? and dare they?)

We know what Nestle do to the poor in other countries, we know the tricks Mcdonalds pulls and on and on and on - US corporatism is indeed the fourth reich - unopposed because it fuels the SUV's, pays for exploitation vacations into Tijuana, Cancun, Copa and the rest of Mexico where a US citizen does not need a passport to visit, all this as US troops assemble on the border to keep 'them' out from your riches and the reich builds the burbs and keeps those chunky bodies...chunky. And as long as that continues, then the army of this reich marches on

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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 20 May 2006, 12:03:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '[')
As for getting back what belongs to you....Ah yes. The entitlement belief. Right. Because your oh so fucking special the world owes you something. Since you cant get it for yourself and its [i]owed/[i] to you it should just be taken from someone else right?


yes and no.
the world owes me nothing.

It is a bad situaution that the richest country in the world has such third world poverty. Look at NO after Katrina.
Now we all know that some minorities, which now includes white americans are at the behest of the rich and their desire systems, and regardles of how hard they try the system is set to fuck em and to keep them fucked. The USA being a particularly oppressed nation now which suits the fascists in the country (republicans, 'chrisitians' and their voters).


Ha. You know theres STILL people on FEMA handouts after the hurricane. Ok, lifes a bitch when everything you own blows away. I'll give them that. But what we have is a bunch of lazy fucks who dont want to get off their own ass and get ahead. So FEMA is stopping the handouts and what happens?
THEY SUE. Yep, those refugees think FEMA OWES them money every month. Its went for being a hand up to a hand out. Thats what pisses me off.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he guy at the vid is a true American, the sort of guy who would have been present at the signing of the constitution that you let go of.


No, he would have been kicked right the hell out. The minute he pulled that wealth redistribution shit he would have been shown the door.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e know what Nestle do to the poor in other countries, we know the tricks Mcdonalds pulls and on and on and on - US corporatism is indeed teh fourth reich - unopposed at it fuels the SUV's and builds the burbs and keeps those chunky bodies...chunky. And as long as that continues, then the army of this reich marches on

:)


Right. Blame America because of other countries problems. Business's who operate overseas operate withint he bounds of the law in the country of operations, NOT the country they are headquartered in. Your drum pounding would be *far* better served to push for reform in the countries being "exploited" rather then bitching about America causing the problem.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you though. Dont misunderstand me. It bothers me too what happens there, but it certainly isnt my fault or Americas fault or the companies fault. It is ultimately the fault of the laws in place in the country in which the business is operating. THAT is where reforms need to start, not by finger pointing at America or Britian or McDonalds.
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby KevO » Sat 20 May 2006, 12:24:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '[') Dont misunderstand me. It bothers me too what happens there, but it certainly isnt my fault or Americas fault or the companies fault. It is ultimately the fault of the laws in place in the country in which the business is operating. THAT is where reforms need to start, not by finger pointing at America or Britian or McDonalds.



Who makes the laws and who votes for them?
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby Jack » Sat 20 May 2006, 13:40:59

It's an interesting rant, in its way.

As the economy becomes more challenging, we can expect more such pseudo-populist offerings. A clever demagogue could motivate some segments of the population with such messages.

Now, I wonder - will the target(s) of their wrath continue to be economic? A millionaire can dress like a pauper easily enough. Who will the mob be directed to hate? Will the quintessentially American tendency to identify with the upper classes be transformed by the rigors of peak oil - thus causing lower class cohesion?

I sense that a few more cases of 7.62 mm NATO are in my future. 8)
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby Whitefang » Sat 20 May 2006, 14:42:37

At least someone that speaks out loud. I like him being true and open in anger, last time I attacked a big black dude for entering my house and bossing my wife around, I got trouble with the police.
I were angry with words and bit of strength to defend what I hold dear, not out of control.
The police were afraid of these so called people with other habits and gangster types. Just raising my voice were not acceptable for the guardians of the law.

Everybody is responsible for him or herself, in US or Africa.
Taking much more then needed loads you with debt, overeating reflects in your body, indulging in say moneymaking makes you easy prey for your own petty feelings which again will have consequenses for your being.

Still western rich we have valued our comfort more than children dying from hunger in other places, bad Karma.
Sure the weather helped disaster, but we collectively kept with our age old habit of more and more.

We should have installed a limit, no need to own billions of sheep, chicken, or euro's, dollars.
Right now we humans together are consuming ourselves to death, and if African people were the mighty, they would do same as we do now.
Who is responsible?

We all are, each for his or her personal actions, together, rich, poor, able to read and write or not.

I hold Karma to be true in life as present to me, stupid shit I did came right back at me, sometimes years after.
To gain proof just relive your actions with breathing left right from now to mom and dad. Called recapitulation by some.

Rationally we could share what is left when the party is over,
what we in fact do is the art of warfare until few are left,
probably still into millions of people on earth.

There is a natural law that makes it legal to fight against a tyrannical regime, the people of Iraq were responsible for ditching Saddam H. You US people are responsible for getting rid of the nazi gang that controls your army, politics, media and the lot.

So what are we sedated sheep waiting for?
Too much into personal shit and fear to make a stand and oppose our oppressors.
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby ironborne » Sat 20 May 2006, 14:55:51

Hats off to Whitefang.
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Re: An American Rants

Unread postby JoeW » Sat 20 May 2006, 23:43:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Not that I'm disagreeing with you though. Dont misunderstand me. It bothers me too what happens there, but it certainly isnt my fault or Americas fault or the companies fault. It is ultimately the fault of the laws in place in the country in which the business is operating. THAT is where reforms need to start, not by finger pointing at America or Britian or McDonalds.


Specop, I believe you are defeating your own argument. The concede that the capitalists are capitalizing on cheap labor where there are no labor laws. Therefore, you agree with the fact that people can be (and are) paid less than the value of their work. As it happens in other countries, so too does it happen in the USA. However, it is also the case that many USA workers are paid MORE than the value of their work.
Although it is not uniformly the case, the USA workers earning LESS than the value of their work generally have very low incomes, and those earning MORE than the value of their work generally have very high incomes...which is why I support the current graduated income tax system employed by the US Government...the very system that you would say is "stealing from the rich and giving to the poor".
I am in agreement with you regarding the FEMA post-Katrina hand-outs. Six months should be enough time for someone to find a decent job and provide for their family in the current labor market, even if they end up making less than they had been pre-Katrina...

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