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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby Omnitir » Sat 13 May 2006, 19:38:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '.')..I seem to recall many stories about living in constant fear of nuclear war.

We knew it wasn't going to happen, because we knew the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction was horribly logical. We were right, weren't we?

You did not know it wasn't going to happen anymore then you know society is going to fall apart with PO. In fact there were several times when the nuke launches very nearly did happen. It was only the hard work of a few extraordinary individuals that pulled us through.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'N')ot a chance. From my perspective, we are currently living in the greatest period of human history.

I've lived in both. This is not better. I could list dozens of reasons.

Yes, and so could I. But I could also list reasons why this is better. Things aren’t as black and white as many people believe. Try to look at it from a different perspective. And when you say this is not better, how much does your belief in a dark future weigh into that opinion?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '.')..I believe that we are also going to see a transition to a better world...soon the sun will rise on crisp new day.

I have to ask: What will the population of the world be on that crisp new day?

Yes, yes, the world is so over populated. Don’t you just hate people? We are so doomed… (sarcasm). Sorry, but I don’t buy into the way past carrying capacity hype.
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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby duke3522 » Sat 13 May 2006, 20:04:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'I')f they're older than 42, they aren't Baby Boomers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer


Actually, weren't Baby Boomers born between 1946 and 1964, making them between 42 and 60 years old in 2006? This particular group that I'm talking about is in their mid-to-late 40s.

Everything else you said rings true, though. Unfortunately.


Hey All,

I was born in 1961 but I do not consider myself a Boomer. I think to be a true Boomer you have to be able to remember the JFK assassination. I believe that this event had a tremendous effect on the young folk back then.

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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 13 May 2006, 21:00:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', '
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I was born in 1961 but I do not consider myself a Boomer. I think to be a true Boomer you have to be able to remember the JFK assassination. I believe that this event had a tremendous effect on the young folk back then.

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I remember it Duke. I remember my 3rd grade teacher coming in all shook up with tears in his eyes. I remember a full week of no TV because it was all boring funeral all the time.That's about the extent of how it affected me, though. I was born in '54 and so I'm a boomer, but I think you had to be a little older to be really affected. Or maybe I was just a callous psycho-kid or something. 8O
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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 13 May 2006, 23:20:22

YOu bastards who grew up in the 80's are sooo lucky. I love everything about the 80's, but hardly remember most of it (i was born in 78). God you guys are soo lucky! I really have to get my hands on a Delorean.
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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 14 May 2006, 02:23:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'Y')es, yes, the world is so over populated. Don’t you just hate people? We are so doomed… (sarcasm). Sorry, but I don’t buy into the way past carrying capacity hype.


Oh, we can carry it, as long as the oil and gas holds out:

That last one, overlaying the two, is a bitch, isn't it?

Let's hope that projection is wrong.
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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 15 May 2006, 17:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I') work with more than a few boomers. ...They said something to the effect of "our generation (the boomer one) is getting more screwed than yours". Me, being a mere 24 years old, being told this by two 40-somethings.


If they're younger than 42, they aren't Baby Boomers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer

They're probably "shadow boomers".

Take it from a genuine boomer, they may be right about being screwed, but they are absolutely dead wrong about you. You and others your age are being screwed, shafted, swindled, taken, robbed, and betrayed, and far worse than them.

I wish I could find that Boomer thread, because we discussed this at length, but the gist of it is that white, male American Baby Boomers with good educations (mine was provided virtually free of charge by the State of California) are unquestionably the single luckiest demographic group in the history of the human race.

Everything was handed to us on a platter. We had it so good we could even recognize it at the time, when we were young. We knew we had it made. We coined the expression "Is this a great country, or what?"

All who come after us will have it worse than we did. You may have a few electronic toys that we didn't have, but that's about all you have over us. We had confidence, serenity, security, and unshakeable faith in the future. We knew our lives were going to get nothing but better. I'm sure you would gladly trade that for your Internet connection.

Like I've done so many times before, I apologize for all the resources we squandered. We had no idea what we were doing. We blissfully set the stage for your Peak Oil scenario, and you get to live it out. I'll get a glimpse of the first part of it, but you'll be a participant in the whole show.

I don't envy you, and none of my peers that I know envy you either. You are the first generation of Americans whose lives will be worse than the one that preceded you. I'm sure you are less than thrilled to be awarded that dubious distinction.


Great post.

What I love is when I hear somebody over 55 say to somebody under 25 "your generation has the task of solving our energy dillemma" like it's some reward being bestowed.

Best,

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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 15 May 2006, 17:54:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')White, male American Baby Boomers with good educations are unquestionably the single luckiest demographic group in the history of the human race. All who come after us will have it worse than we did. You may have a few electronic toys that we didn't have, but that's about all you have over us. We had confidence, serenity, security, and unshakeable faith in the future.

Looking back through rose colored glasses perhaps? Maybe you have a biased perspective?

I seem to recall many stories about living in constant fear of nuclear war. Stories about how the future was uncertain, of people’s fears of commies destroying our way of life, of government corruption, of the decaying of the moral fabric of society, of increasing hardships etc.

And yet hear we are, we survived. The future has always been something that has concerned society – even the boomer generation.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We knew our lives were going to get nothing but better. I'm sure you would gladly trade that for your Internet connection.

Not a chance. From my perspective, we are currently living in the greatest period of human history. Yes we will face some difficult issues, but I believe that we are also going to see a transition to a better world.

To use the tired party metaphor; the party is almost over, which scares the hell out of the people that partied all night. But soon the sun will rise on crisp new day, which fills with excitement the people who see more to life then gluttonous partying.


Omnitir,

Take a trip to Baghdad lately? They're a day or so ahead of us so the sun has already risen over in their neck of the woods. Are you sure you'd be "filled with excitement" if you were there?

Best,

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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby EnergySpin » Mon 15 May 2006, 18:06:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '
')Not a chance. From my perspective, we are currently living in the greatest period of human history. Yes we will face some difficult issues, but I believe that we are also going to see a transition to a better world.

To use the tired party metaphor; the party is almost over, which scares the hell out of the people that partied all night. But soon the sun will rise on crisp new day, which fills with excitement the people who see more to life then gluttonous partying.

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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby Schweinshaxe » Mon 15 May 2006, 18:16:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'Y')Ou bastards who grew up in the 80's are sooo lucky. I love everything about the 80's, but hardly remember most of it (i was born in 78).


It was horrible in the 80's.

The boomers at least had Pat Boone. This is what we had:

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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 15 May 2006, 18:22:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schweinshaxe', '.')..The boomers at least had Pat Boone.


Forget him. We had CHUCK BERRY!

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Re: Hey Boomers

Unread postby galacticsurfer » Thu 18 May 2006, 10:18:53

I am 41, just missed the acid test being born in 1965. I just got a book" the fourth turning which cuts up US history into 4 generation cylces which always run 80-100 years in total and make for a cyclical historical run. Apparently they went through a lot of history to get at this and I have yet to read it.

Here is their ad for the book (1998)

http://www.fourthturning.com/html/fourth_turning.html
The Fourth Turning offers this bold prophecy:

Just after the millennium, America will enter a new era that will culminate with a crisis comparable to the American Revolution, the Civil War, the Great Depression, and World War II. The survival of the nation will almost certainly be at stake.

Strauss and Howe base this vision on a provocative theory of American history as a series of recurring 80- to 100-year cycles. Each cycle has four "turnings"-a High, an Awakening, an Unraveling, and a Crisis. The authors locate today's America as midway through an Unraveling, roughly a decade away from the next Crisis (or Fourth Turning). And they recommend ways Americans can prepare for what's ahead, as a nation and as individuals.

As Future Shock did in the 1970s and Megatrends did in the 1980s, this groundbreaking book will have a profound effect on every reader's perception of America's past, present, and future.



I have always been sick of the ad nauseam rehashing of the experiences of the boomers in the 50's and 60's as I grew up in the 70's(Happy Days-50s retro) and 80's. The focus has been on this generation and their coming of age, their pain, etc. as long as I know. To get away from my personal grudge of the media hype caused by TPTB(the boomers actually- Clinton then Bush 16 years long then Clinton II another 8 years and my generation will be too late for any power at all.)

Anyway this book seems to satisfy my desire for a structured look at history in terms of cycles and to look at the generations but not to get stuck in personal grudges or a small world view about us here and now, my generation against yours,etc. I hope it lives up to its promise. If they are right the cycle has come around for deep shit to hit the fast moving fan real soon and they are not talking my beloved astrological planetary cycles so scientific skeptics can probably swallow it.
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