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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 16 May 2006, 17:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'A')mazingly enough when vehicles travelling at hundreds of miles an hour come to a stop in about 5 feet, they tend to lose their shape.

Crazy I know.


Are you saying that vehicles lose shape before impact? Wow, you must know a lot more about physics than I...

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It's ok, Specop speaks for middle america. He has average intelligence and a big mouth. Seeing what he says is going to tell us what average joe thinks about these things.


Here is the still frame that I am talking about. I should've included it with the last post, but I couldn't find it.

The object on the far right, just above the ground, is presumably the 757. Looks a wee bit small, though, for my taste.

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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 16 May 2006, 17:40:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'H')ere is the still frame that I am talking about. I should've included it with the last post, but I couldn't find it.

The object on the far right, just above the ground, is presumably the 757. Looks a wee bit small, though, for my taste.


The video I saw looked more detailed than that, maybe you can find a better image. :D
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 16 May 2006, 17:47:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'H')ere is the still frame that I am talking about. I should've included it with the last post, but I couldn't find it.

The object on the far right, just above the ground, is presumably the 757. Looks a wee bit small, though, for my taste.


The video I saw looked more detailed than that, maybe you can find a better image. :D


I saw the one on CNN and, you're right, the quality is much better. I tried to print-screen the frame but was unsuccessful (b/c it was a Flash plug-in, I think.)
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 16 May 2006, 17:52:23

My office is right on the property line of Orange County's John Wayne airport. I just walked out into the parking lot and took this shot:

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Yes, that's an American Airlines Boeing 757 parked in front of the terminal. Look at its size in relation to the taller roof of the main terminal building, behind the lower roofs where the gates are.

That roof is about four stories tall, like the Pentagon. Now watch the Pentagon crash video about a dozen times, like I just did.

The shiny silver streak in the video is the right size, people. That's an American 757 slamming into the building.

Is it very low to the ground? Well, of course it is. The pilot was trying to HIT the building, not fly over it. Come on...
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 16 May 2006, 18:10:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'I')s it very low to the ground? Well, of course it is. The pilot was trying to HIT the building, not fly over it. Come on...


If you don't think flying that low (at horizontal) and hitting the building would require very good skills at 350MPH in a 757 then you need to quit life.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:12:33

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3762628848

take an hr and 20 minutes of your life and watch this video with an open mind.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:12:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I')f you don't think flying that low (at horizontal) and hitting the building would require very good skills at 350MPH in a 757 then you need to quit life.


All the eyewitnesses said it was descending toward the building, clipped a couple of light poles as it crossed the highway, and almost hit the lawn just before it hit the building. The pilot was not flying that low for any distance at all. In the video we see it at the lowest it ever was, just above the lawn, for about one second.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:15:52

no bodies were found, no engines, no black boxes. These things dont just disappear. It is an aluminum plane, and wouldnt have penetrated the steel and reinforced concrete walls of the pentagon that was built for this type of stuff. And, the hole was too small for that plane to fit through.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:21:50

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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:43:40

A few of the eyewitness accounts:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_p ... esses.html

More stuff:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

(That "Hunt The Boeing" site is hilarious...)

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'n')o bodies were found, no engines, no black boxes.


All were found.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Free » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:46:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'h')ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

take an hr and 20 minutes of your life and watch this video with an open mind.


Yes but also listen to the other side with an open mind (this link was posted by sleepybag in the other video-thread):

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

I think they make some very good points.

Look, this is what puts me off most about all 911 conspiracy theories (including the official version): They assume that no matter what, their theory is the right one, then they start looking for facts to confirm them. This is not how so called "search for truth" works! This is not open minded, this is not scientific!

You look at the facts, make a hypothesis which you think fits best, and then you try to DEBUNK that hypothesis, not confirm it! Falsification! As soon as you found one single little fact which speaks against your hypothesis, it's back to the drawing board!

What we see on loose change (and the debunker site for that matter), is not search for truth, it's pure ideology, propaganda.

We don't need preachers who are all mouth and no ears, we need open dialogue and fact searching, no matter how much you dislike the results!
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:47:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I')f you don't think flying that low (at horizontal) and hitting the building would require very good skills at 350MPH in a 757 then you need to quit life.


All the eyewitnesses said it was descending toward the building, clipped a couple of light poles as it crossed the highway, and almost hit the lawn just before it hit the building. The pilot was not flying that low for any distance at all. In the video we see it at the lowest it ever was, just above the lawn, for about one second.


Ok so it pulled down far enough over how much distance? To actually be level at that point AND be going 350MPH... :lol: come on now... how far were those light poles away for it to be descending, hit them and then level out? 3 miles? 2 miles? 1 mile? It's more like 500 yards.

Regardless of whether or not this is fake or not, that pilot was a fucking genius, and a moron. He hit the most reinforced part, and he could have done a lot more damage going from the top, descending into the building, most likely.

If the official story is 100% true, all the coincidences matching up on 9/11 just make it seem very, very odd. What is the chance that a plane will target the only newly reinforced part of the pentagon? What is the chance that 3 buildings will freefall collapse from fires (2 of them also from a plane impact)? What is the chance that those 3 planes managed to even do the damage they did when the airforce routinely managed to fly interception missions under similar circumstances..etc. What is the chance that the US government ignores numerous warnings about plane attacks on it's soil leading up the 9/11? What is the chance that the US government is running a "simulation" of 9/11 on 9/11...

Whether or not you believe the governments side, there is a lot of "coincidences".

The only benefactor from 9/11 has been the USA and it's allies in the oil rich middle east. It's not only oil rich, it is a strategic point to hold on the world map. Almost like the center of the world.

You don't destroy terrorists by starting wars. Look at most of their WANTS and it isn't even unreasonable. The US has probably killed the most civilians of any country existing today... yet it has the audacity to call other states and groups terrorists. It is quite funny, I'd be laughing if it wasn't so sad. I'm pissing in the wind, I know, because it won't change, and I am counting on that for my dreamworld of shit hitting the fan.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby mekrob » Tue 16 May 2006, 20:59:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I')f you don't think flying that low (at horizontal) and hitting the building would require very good skills at 350MPH in a 757 then you need to quit life.


All the eyewitnesses said it was descending toward the building, clipped a couple of light poles as it crossed the highway, and almost hit the lawn just before it hit the building. The pilot was not flying that low for any distance at all. In the video we see it at the lowest it ever was, just above the lawn, for about one second.


Ok so it pulled down far enough over how much distance? To actually be level at that point AND be going 350MPH... :lol: come on now... how far were those light poles away for it to be descending, hit them and then level out? 3 miles? 2 miles? 1 mile? It's more like 500 yards.

Regardless of whether or not this is fake or not, that pilot was a fucking genius, and a moron. He hit the most reinforced part, and he could have done a lot more damage going from the top, descending into the building, most likely.


You don't fight America militarily. These guys know this and they fought the exact opposite kind of battle. Instead of fighting us on an open battle, then wanted to humiliate us. By hitting us where we feel the most protected. Where is that? At home. But then they were even more specific by going after WTC, Pentagon, WH and Congress (I think). Why hit the weakest part of the Pentagon when you want to show how tough you are and how weak America is? Who cares if less people die as long as America is humiliated on their own turf, in their most fortified buildings (not absolutely, I'm not sure), at the most reinforced part of those buildings. There is no better way at crushing an empire. Unless if you have nukes...

So no UFO conspiracies are being tied to this either? lol
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 16 May 2006, 21:05:05

how did the 'terrorsts' know to hijack planes on a day that simulated attacks by the government ( norad ) were going to be done about the exact same hijacking senario ? Come on guys, use your heads. This is way to coincidental. It was to confuse the pilots, and when you hear the audio, it did just that. The pilots were recorded saying the hijacks were a test and not real.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 16 May 2006, 21:31:24

Spec,

... heh, I can't resist this...

Yeah, objects travelling hundreds of miles per hour do tend to change shape when they come to a stop in about 5 feet, but the change in shape and size generally doesn't begin until the moving object actually comes into contact with something.

The 'plane' in the picture appears to have shrunk by about 50% before it even strikes the building. Maybe it's a new kind of 'Doppler effect'.

Crazy, I know.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Kickinthegob » Tue 16 May 2006, 21:58:03

Heh, what a travesty. where is the gas station or hotel footage that employees were watching before it was confiscated? destroyed like the air traffic control tape? Like that joke of a trial for 9/11 justice lately, this footage proves nothing and Americans are still being lied to 5 years later, amazing!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'W')e don't need preachers who are all mouth and no ears, we need open dialogue and fact searching, no matter how much you dislike the results!

We need the facts actually, or whatever is left of them.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '.')..Instead of fighting us on an open battle, then wanted to humiliate us. By hitting us where we feel the most protected. Where is that? At home. But then they were even more specific by going after WTC, Pentagon, WH and Congress (I think)...

Sorry, you don't think, you just swallow what they feed you. Your fairy tale about "these guys" wanting to "humiliate us" really doesn't seem likely, however the current US admin engineering a false flag terrorist event like they have done before seems highly likely after spending just a few hours out of your life looking at the facts with a %10 open mind. Good luck with that!

http://www.st911.org/
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 16 May 2006, 22:52:02

There is a reason they wont show the actual footage they confiscated, because it contradicts the official 911 story. Plain and simple. They sure dont care about the planes hitting the twin towers do they ? So it cant be for the victims families.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby auscanman » Tue 16 May 2006, 23:07:11

In an event like this, the onus has to be on the establishment to prove their version of the story beyond a reasonable doubt for intelligent people to believe it. They've come nowhere close to doing that based on all the evidence from both sides that I have seen and don't even bother addressing the questions that really beg answering.

This video if anything provides more evidence that no plane hit the pentagon. Show me the footage from the gas station, what was actually in the black boxes of all the flights, that could not have been destroyed and the recordings with the control towers and then I'd be prepared to believe the establishment's story.
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby AlCzervik » Wed 17 May 2006, 00:04:07

Alex Jones thinks this is a setup and that clearer videos will be released later to crush 9/11 Truth-ers.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11 ... elease.htm

I think this is a very honest examination of the Pentagon issues. It is not up to date for today's news.
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/conclusions.html

Hoffman's links aren't working, but I think another site, Oil Empire, is pretty good in calling out the Pentagon issues.
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-truth.html

You don't even need need to argue the physical evidence issues to prove it was an inside job. This is better than Loose Change.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8400743688
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=92
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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby deconstructionist » Wed 17 May 2006, 13:22:03

http://truthaddictsanon.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-footage-of-pentagon-attack.html
click above to read the following with copious links to sources.

The "new" footage of the Pentagon Attack

First of all--regardless of any of this pointless debate about what hit the Pentagon--let's make one this abundantly clear: NORAD let it happen. The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) maintains tight control of US airspace. NO unauthorized aircraft are allowed to fly in Pentagon airspace. On 9/11, NORAD was directed to let the planes continue to fly when normal protocol would have been to shoot them down. No matter how you feel about various conspiracy theories (including the official US Government sponsored conspiracy theory) there is no way to argue against that.

This "new" video footage, is not "new" at all--it is the same footage that has been circulating around the internet since 2002. It is blurry and it doesn't show anything that 1) we haven't seen before or 2) proves anything. Whether a 757 hit the pentagon or not--there is still no proof that it was flight 77--as they claim the titanium cases of the black boxes were "vaporized"--a first in human history. Also--why have they not released the footage from the cameras in the Sheraton, the gas station across the road, from the Virginia D.O.T...? It should be obvious that there is an organized obfuscation going on here.

The "no 757" theory is one that most of the serious 9-11 research flatly denies, because the evidence does not support the theory. We are being set up with this "new" footage. The footage itself doesn't prove (or disprove) anything. But it is surely not the last step in the game of those who perpetrated this heinous crime. More convincing footage--most likely clearly showing a large passenger aircraft--will be released, and then that footage will be used to debunk all of the rest of the 9/11 research.

As for the rest of the theories--that WTC 7 was deliberately taken down in a controlled demolition, that WTC 1 and 2 were deliberately taken down in controlled demolitions, that $167 billion (now worth over half a trillion) in gold was removed from the Fed depository underneath the south tower and was never accounted for, that flight 93 was shot down--there are vast mounds and piles of evidenciary support for those. Even though the "no 757" theory is not endorsed by serious 9/11 researchers and there is no correlation between the evidence at the Pentagon and the evidence in NYC or of Flight 93, another video will be released showing more details of the Pentagon attack and the mainstream media and quite probably the public will completely dismiss any and all 9/11 "conspiracy theories," except of course the official conspiracy theory endorsed by the 9/11 Commission Report.

Who is behind the release of this footage anyway? A non-profit and unabashedly right-wing organization called Judicial Watch filed the FOIA request to have the Pentagon security camera video released... Let's take a look at who is behind Judicial Watch, shall we?

"In 2002, Judicial Watch received $1.1 million from The Carthage Foundation and a further $400,000 from The Sarah Scaife Foundation. The year before the Scaife Foundation had given $1.35 million and Carthage $500,000.

In all, between 1997 and 2002, Judicial Watch received $7,069,500 (unadjusted for inflation) in 19 grants from a handful of foundations including. The bulk of this funding came from just three foundations--the Sarah Scaife Foundation, The Carthage Foundation and the John M. Olin Foundation, Inc." (source)


The money comes back to the Scaife Family (they administer the Carthage Foundation and the Scaife Foundation). By 1999, the Washington Post reported that the ScaifeÂ’s foundations had given $340 million to conservative causes and institutions. John M. Olin has provided funding for In 2001, the Foundation expended $20,482,961 to fund right-wing think tanks including the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, the Hudson Institute, and the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). The necons are behind the release of this video footage. It is a plan. It is a scam.

Be very careful about which information you trust and which information you don't. Consider all sides of the story... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. And realize that the rich and powerful are controlling both sides...
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