[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')et's not forget, too, that world population continues to grow by 200,000 people per day, net of deaths. This outstrips any possible contributions from alternative energy and conservation.

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')et's not forget, too, that world population continues to grow by 200,000 people per day, net of deaths. This outstrips any possible contributions from alternative energy and conservation.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'F')or example, America can slash its oil consumption by half, merely be being more fuel efficient, cheap sexy 200mpg cars are on their way and will be introduced fairly soon, bioenergy can supply up to anywhere between 25 and 50% of world energy consumption without endangering (the need for increased) food production, etc....

[MonteQuest]

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[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '.')..I can't wait to celebrate our inventiveness and creativity, and how we will have eradicated most poverty, brought most people a nice standard of living, while having oil to spare... all this is possible...

[lorenzo]

Look, we can point out countless fields of human activity that have only begun to increase efficiency. But to no avail, since you're afraid to face those facts. You think everything is going to end soon, while people with some real knowledge about the world know that many things are only beginning.

Take agriculture. Ignorant people here continuously say we've reached a maximum capacity.

And then Reality knocks at the door in the form of an army of top scientists (they're all on drugs too), which breaks your fantasy into a million pieces.

In this case: if Africa were to use normal fertilizer applications required for crops, it increases its food production by up to 5 times. And sub-Saharan Africa is only using about 10% of its arable land resource. So there's gigantic unused potential both to intensivize and to extensivize.
Africa currently uses no modern techniques in agriculture. If it were to adopt developed world tech and standards, we can produce food for 2 more billion people (just what we need to make it until 2030) AND produce an amount of bioenergy equalling the world's current total primary energy consumption (420 Exajoules).

But you don't know this. You don't want to hear. It's not me saying this, it's the experts in the field and the experts with the satellites saying this. The people who have studied this in a professional manner.


So, I understand that to you, Reality looks like a dangerous drug, and so you prefer to stay away from it. But I will never do this. I'm addicted to facts and to breaking myths. (Have found good ground here).

Current fertilizer use in Africa versus required fertilizer use for crops:
ftp://ftp.fao.org/agl/agll/docs/fertuse.xls > as you can see: Africa currently uses 10% of what is advised for its crops.

In France grain yields have increased 10-fold over the past 3 decades. Africa's agro-production can do the same. The potential is there. I repeat: a 10-fold increase. I don't know if you understand what this means, but it's not really important, as you've already declared everything dead. So solutions to implementing fertilizer distribution strategies in Africa won't come from you. We're not counting on you.

[ If you don't want a spreadsheet, check this page and scroll down:
http://www.fao.org/ag/agl/agll/oldocsp.jsp ]


And no, please don't start about the ludicrous argument that Peak Oil will mean the end of all fertilizer. It's sheer ignorance. The world consumes 190 million tonnes of N (that could be gained from other sources than NG), and 400 million tonnes of non-N fertilizer. Those 190 million tonnes make up a totally insignificant part of the amount of NG that's out there. Moreover, it can entirely be made out of other sources. So don't even start about the ludicrous fertilizer-peakoil argument.


I know this post is an overdose to you, but try it, you might just as well meet Reality, for the first time. Just try it.

[Armageddon]

None of that will matter when cheap , easy and abundant energy is over. 4.00 - 5.00 gas will bankrupt the entire american economy, which will result in the worlds economys being brought down with it. Nothing can replace 30.00 per barell oil. This civilization was created by it. 1 billion to 6.5 billion people was created by, and only by dirt cheap energy. Add that to the huge american debt, and this entire system is almost over. The world cannot keep financing american debt, it is unsustainable.

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'N')one of that will matter when cheap , easy and abundant energy is over. 4.00 - 5.00 gas will bankrupt the entire american economy, which will result in the worlds economys being brought down with it. Nothing can replace 30.00 per barell oil. This civilization was created by it. 1 billion to 6.5 billion people was created by, and only by dirt cheap energy. Add that to the huge american debt, and this entire system is almost over. The world cannot keep financing american debt, it is unsustainable.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', ' ')>Two years ago, people here said: US$ 2 a gallon will bankrupt the U.S. economy. The U.S. economy grew by 5%.

>A year ago, people here said: US$ 3 a gallon will wreck the U.S. economy. The U.S. economy is growing by 5%.

>This year, people here say: US$ 4 a gallon will destroy the U.S. economy. I say: the U.S. economy will be growing by 5%.

You have been wrong many times before. What makes you think you will be right with this gamble?

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', ' ')>Two years ago, people here said: US$ 2 a gallon will bankrupt the U.S. economy. The U.S. economy grew by 5%.

>A year ago, people here said: US$ 3 a gallon will wreck the U.S. economy. The U.S. economy is growing by 5%.

>This year, people here say: US$ 4 a gallon will destroy the U.S. economy. I say: the U.S. economy will be growing by 5%.

You have been wrong many times before. What makes you think you will be right with this gamble?

[woodman]

Lorenzo, it is hard not to admire your cheerfull optimism and yet I have to see it as naivety. Take a look at history and it will show you the path we are on. Human nature is unlikely to change. We are living in the belly of the beast. We cannot change the beast and I doubt we can change our own nature. Therefore history tells me that we are on a very tough road and though optomism is the fuel that we need to keep going, pessimism may help us to prepare for reality.

In my opinion business as usuall will be the order of the day. TPTB will keep watching their bottom line with little thought for posterity. Just look at the national debt for a clue.

[roccman]

What? Sets off Global Primary or Secondary Depression (We can debate that this winter)
Who? China
Why? These things are cyclical and to hold them off simply makes them bigger. John Law and the South Seas Bubble will have nothing on us this time.
When? September 2007 -- this year - four months out
Where? China first, then globally within a month to 90 days.
How? Massive crash of investor confidence, market panics, leading to regime change pressure in China.

link

[EndOfGrowth]

I think a peak oil induced collapse of the US and UK housing market is more likely to be the trigger of a depression.

[clueless]

Commodity demand/price/availabilty will trigger the next depression.

I don't believe it will have anything to do with the financial markets, they have allready proven they will simply keep printing and loaning money.

[Jack]

If you actually believe this, either short the futures or buy index puts. If you believe in the timing and strategy very strongly, then you should borrow money to pursue the idea.

Note that I do not advise you to do this, nor do I recommend it. I merely suggest this is a way one could, in principle, profit from such events if they define both market direction and timing.

Most would agree that such an approach is imprudent at best.

[FoxV]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'H')ow? Massive crash of investor confidence, market panics, leading to regime change pressure in China

[Tyler_JC]

Why September?

And what is going to cause the collapse of investor confidence?

Just saying that "China" will be to blame isn't enough. China's stock market has a rather low market capitalization compared to the Japanese, European, and American exchanges.

And the spin doctors could easily play off a 25% drop in China's stock market as a correction off of unreasonable P/E ratios. And frankly, it probably would be just a correction from those absurdly high P/E ratios.

[AFO]

link
Recession in 2007
Stock crash in 2008
Depression 2008-2015
Start cashing your 401K, before it is too late. It's worth paying the penalty now

[vision-master]

What about 2016 & beyond?

[Madpaddy]

This is just arse based economics.

If I really knew there would be a crash in September, I would A.) BE A GOD or B.) not tell everyone on an internet forum and position myself to become a millionaire by buying stocks wisely.

I want to start a new thread

"HUMAN SPECIES TO DEVELOP NEW COMBINED SH*T AND P*SS WASTEHOLE BEGINNING 21st JULY 2024 AT 0904HRS"