[truecougarblue]

I'm sorry 12amps.

I'm sorry I didn't realize that you're really just an argumentative contrarian looking for a fight.

I take back my previous post that attempted to answer what I thought was a genuine question. I'm sure many others who made an attempt feel the same.

First time ever, (pushes ignore button).

Cougar

[12amps]

W/e truecougarblue

[mrobert]

@12amps :

(It's not Mr. Robert. mrobert stands for muresan robert, my name)

Please don't get me wrong.
You are right. But should I just stop, go outside and fill my tank with gas and drive around like crazy?
Currently I am a software developer. Yes, you don't need to tell me that it will affect me. I know that.

Let's go back 15 years to my early childhood.
I always had this thing in my head "what someday the whole world get fucked up, and I must survive"?
So I started learning.

Give me a knife and a place to be, and I will get along just fine.
I learned all the basics of survival, I know how to work with animals, how to cultivate things, I can work with wood/metal and I have excellent tech skills (I can easily dismantle, figure out, and fix almost anything).
I am not the "suburban american" who can't open a bottle without calling customer support. (No offense meant).

I spent every summer of my childhood, at my grandparents, in a very remote village. They still do things like they did back in 1900.
And I learned all I could.
Can you milk sheep and process the entire milk in all it's derivatives? WIHTOUT modern technology. I can for one.
Let's all go back to 1900. I can do basicly anything you would want me to do without modern technology.

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I am "well-off", but I am not rich. I just live better then the average Joe. Mostly because I manage my life, exactly like my business.
I try to cut costs and implement efficiency were appliable.

Please don't make a fool out of me, because of my solar panel ideea. Even if everything turns out ok, there will be one more person on this planet who will polute less, and use less conventional energy.

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I have read these forums.
None of you geniouses mentioned SALT. Yes, the bloody salt.
You are DEAD without it, and having a few boxes can make a whole lot of a difference
Everybody wants guns and batteries.
I can buy 3 kilos of salt for $1 ... and that can last me for years.
And it can be conserved for eternity.
Take any meat you find, and salt to it, dry it or smoke it and you have some very fine quality food.

I also learned to make some DAMN GOOD smoked bacon ... all I need is some wood and fire. It requires no other processing.

How about we switch over this conversation and discuss and share the skills we have.
We all might learn a thing or two

[12amps]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', '@')12amps :

(It's not Mr. Robert. mrobert stands for muresan robert, my name)

Please don't get me wrong.
You are right. But should I just stop, go outside and fill my tank with gas and drive around like crazy?
Currently I am a software developer. Yes, you don't need to tell me that it will affect me. I know that.

Let's go back 15 years to my early childhood.
I always had this thing in my head "what someday the whole world get fucked up, and I must survive"?
So I started learning.

Give me a knife and a place to be, and I will get along just fine.
I learned all the basics of survival, I know how to work with animals, how to cultivate things, I can work with wood/metal and I have excellent tech skills (I can easily dismantle, figure out, and fix almost anything).
I am not the "suburban american" who can't open a bottle without calling customer support. (No offense meant).

I spent every summer of my childhood, at my grandparents, in a very remote village. They still do things like they did back in 1900.
And I learned all I could.
Can you milk sheep and process the entire milk in all it's derivatives? WIHTOUT modern technology. I can for one.
Let's all go back to 1900. I can do basicly anything you would want me to do without modern technology.

----
I am "well-off", but I am not rich. I just live better then the average Joe. Mostly because I manage my life, exactly like my business.
I try to cut costs and implement efficiency were appliable.

Please don't make a fool out of me, because of my solar panel ideea. Even if everything turns out ok, there will be one more person on this planet who will polute less, and use less conventional energy.

----
I have read these forums.
None of you geniouses mentioned SALT. Yes, the bloody salt.
You are DEAD without it, and having a few boxes can make a whole lot of a difference
Everybody wants guns and batteries.
I can buy 3 kilos of salt for $1 ... and that can last me for years.
And it can be conserved for eternity.
Take any meat you find, and salt to it, dry it or smoke it and you have some very fine quality food.

I also learned to make some DAMN GOOD smoked bacon ... all I need is some wood and fire. It requires no other processing.

How about we switch over this conversation and discuss and share the skills we have.
We all might learn a thing or two

[Ludi]

I'm not convinced most people would rather die than lift a finger to help themselves. I see people going to work each day to jobs they HATE because they would rather work than become poor and/or die. If people were as lazy as some seem to think, none of these folks would bother to get out of bed in the morning, they would just lay there and die.

I just don't think most people will choose to die rather than work for themselves. I just haven't seen evidence of this being a widespread phenomenon. Some people will, sure, but not most. Most will try to do something for themselves.

I'm trying to help spread information about what people can do for themselves.

[Novus]

Today I got that sinking feeling that STHSTF moment will come a lot sooner then we think. The dollar may be collapsing. Gold is surging, and so is silver, copper, and Iron. The canadian dollar continues to gain ground and Russia is setting up an oil borse. These are horrid signs pointing to the collapse of Brenton Woods II. It would not supprise me at all if the stock market goes into a 1929 style freefall any day now. If not a rerun of the great depression it will atleast lead to higher interest rates and a repeat of 1970s stagflation.

[Jogger]

After reading this thread I have just one comment...

Thousands of men in America and around the world have spent thousands of dollars to own a silicone doll for sex and photography.

A silicone doll can provide some comfort in a troubled world...

[Falconoffury]

I'm betting on hyperinflation. I think the government will continue to overpump money into the economy at an accelerated pace. The problem is not the money that the USA owes to itself, but what other countries will do. China will sell all its bonds when it realizes that inflation is too out of control, and then cut way down on exports to the USA. No more cheap crap from China. It will really cause businesses to shut down.

[12amps]

But, China still wants business. The whole world is entangled in this mess and if China cuts down on cheap exports what will happen to the 15 billion people who don't have job???

[mrobert]

@12amps : I am a natural surviver. I always wanted to achieve a lot, and I did. I never gave up a fight in life and I always succeded in anything I attempted.
I have that energy in me, which even after 48 hours of no sleep and hard work, can give me that "spike" to go on for another 48.
I started "work" from low. Building houses, and doing the ground work. Today I run a software company and enjoy a very good life.

I am born with the believe, that If I can't make anything for mankind, I can go to the nearest forest and hang myself.

Why I believe I will survive no matter what? Because I have lived it all. From the ground up.

Ever chopped wood at 2 AM in the mountains, around -28 celsius, because the other bastards forgot to do it during the day?
Ever moved around 2 tonns of concrete in the summer under direct sun, close to 40 celsius?

I had a fight and moved out from my parents when I was 21.
I had a bag of clothes, a computer, and some money to last for a week ... and built up my entire life from that.

Trust me ... PeakOil can't really bring me any surprise.
You name it, and I can tell you how it felt like
It say ALL PURPOSE SURVIVAL KIT all over me. I have read thousands of books and experienced thousands of real life things.

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I don't want anyone to take this as an anti US feeling. I don't have one. I am an open minded person who gets along fine with everybody.

But if you believe (strongly) that China & Co. won't quit on you because they need your business, you wouldn't have any problems or something to worry about. But I guess you DO.
Please reconsider it.

I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't revolve around the US. Exactly *that* is the cause of current problems. Rapidly growing economies started to eat energy and resources like crazy.

What I strongly believe is that the US (still) has plenty of great people, capable of achieving a lot. From hard working, to brilliant smart people. They should be put in charge, and all your problems will be gone.

When I heard that 800+ billion dollars were spent on the Iraq war ... all I could say was : Jesus! That money could have gotten the entire planet, 5-10 years ahead, in terms of evolution and life comfort.

100 years ago, using laboratories equipped with equipment made from empty bottles of whisky, a pen and some paper ... major discoveries were made.
We are still unable to cure cancer with billions of dollars and sofisticated technology.

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Jogger : Please be aware! Your sillicone doll is using your forum account to post messages. Just look above 2 posts

[Whitefang]

Begin of the big bang?

No matter how we add it up, fairly soon in the several years to come, hopefully later next decade but more likely in less then a handful of years.

Bummer as we sure had a chance to make it work for most.

I take pleasure in looking at weather, waves and solar system changes from end 80's and no doubt stuff around us this solarsystem is in a flux.
No excuse though for us letting our weaknesses loose on being earth.

If I do not let self pity go, next decade of challenges will end my being.
Terrible, and yet.....the needed drive to really chance instead talk.
To have a victory after the suicidal Titanic is gone, preserve our knowledge, our romance with this world and explore more with our bodies tuned into better tool then the internal dialogue, our inventory, so far our only tool for practical purposes.
To get reason from the throne and learn to listen to silent knowledge.

So given Atlas a glance, BC best, coastal mountains for winters, summerhikes up Yukon Mackenzie ranges. On condition of a healthy body, winterolympics chopping wood for heat, cooking a body that can sustain pressure of lean life as forester for a few years until outlived competition from small bands and last of former government.

I am certain that the future holds no people as corrupt as we are, our leaders will pay and so will we.
Best is no excuse, no judgement and take it with warrior attitude, you make your bet and go from there, before you plan and think, the act without looking back.

Main hurdle will be lethal hungry cold people chasing you or storing you at places you do not want to be.

So the trick is to get yourself surrounded by people you know well, trust and with the option of living with nature, self sufficient.
To do so have skills in storing body heat by clothing, making camp without bags and tent, making fire without the sissy fluid lighter, find safe water, find energy sources by foraging, some medical skills, knowledge of surroundings, sustainable weapons.

So far it seems that the Canadian westcoast offers best with few human inhabitants, fishing hunting staying dry and warm, summers up north free wilderness.
Other environments can be easier with heat but to dry, cold, pesky tropical animals, or abundance of humans.
So learn to stay warm, after the global civil war return with small settlement at new academy to start afresh with gardening, contacts and development of ourselves.

Since we are all into same experience we are all standing at that wall, nothing superficial important anymore, after the struggle everything could become new with the change,
in one fair swoop we could get rid off all the shit that we accumulate, in memoir, things, actions.
No more clinging to, no more room for play.
No more indulging in pity.
No more kings.

I think no army but the US army is able to start what they do middle east, a civil war that cannot be won but by the rural insurgents who fight for home and family.
Especially the elite killers from SSG of private contracts.

By law people have the right to dethrone a tyrannical regime, we have no freedom if we do not take it, everyone has his and her internal struggle to solve, now only those that are aware and act on the new, I bet more spiritual way, no focus on the love but a more realistic perception of ourselves.

So I still cross my fingers for some good signs, big waves from Canary Islands, Iceland, Greenland plus currents, Antarctic, Vulcan’s popping, continents adrift, sudden flooding, storms raging and people going nuts.
When the shit hits the fan, I would love to be surrounded by mountains, to wage my battle in a land that I love, fully aware, with fear, with respect to what lives knowing exactly why and what I do.

So far I have only been preaching, no action and I am very late.

A very interesting and exiting time to live.

good luck to you all.

[mrobert]

Nice statement.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('12amps', 'F')or those of us we live in the US:

Realistically, practically, how bad will things get and how soon?
And when things do start getting 'bad' what is the rate of bad-ness??