[holmes]

Let me give you a little truth here about the civil war. The war was NOT about freeing the slaves. The north was and is the socialist military industrial neo classical economic cult complex. The media and the multicults have programmed the humans to believe the south was pure evil. Sure there was racism but every fucking place has racism. The times were differnt. We need time to evolve and change views. The south was more attuned to the American Constitution. Agrarian small business society. The UNION is/was the MACHINE. The blacks who were "freed" found out that the North just had different kinds of slaves. The Liberal multicults distort and throw the baby out with the bathwater everytime.
The MACHINE NEEDS slaves. The blacks never had a monopoly on being slaves. Contrary to what the jesse Jackholes of the world spew. The UNION requires slaves on a scale the South never even imagined.

[holmes]

The UNION wanted the south's slaves and resources to fill its infinite growth paradigm.
The UNION machine will never cease until all its fuel sources are depleted.

The GLOBALIST MACHINE wants zero competition.
The machine will xterminate ALL competition.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'B')TW, I'm not being nationalistic, it disgusts me.

[Atlantean_Relic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'T')he UNION wanted the south's slaves and resources to fill its infinite growth paradigm.
The UNION machine will never cease until all its fuel sources are depleted.

The GLOBALIST MACHINE wants zero competition.
The machine will xterminate ALL competition.

[Teclo]

wow, didn't realise the old north/south divide was stilll this pronounced
so if it's true that southern policies are being pushed by the neo-cons then isn't it the case that
because so many bad things are happening because of them - that the southern worldview is full of errors?
What does a person do who can't admit they were wrong - they attack those who disagree
That's all this liberal bashing is, an attempt to blame your own failures on someone else
Political correctness is one liberal corruption I hate as well, but that's no excuse to demonise them for
everything wrong - or suppress debate, or any of the other things the dicatorship in America says
The only thing that hold's Bush's America together is the collective feeling of being right, it just feels so damn
good to be RIGHT (or should that be REICH?)

Martin

[mortifiedpenguin]

America is not going to just "break apart." We are the strongest power in the world. Nothing stops us. We have the largest military. We have the largest economy. We survive everything. Back in the war for independence, the British had pretty much every advantage against us, and we still kicked their asses. Several times. We always win in the end.

[emailking]

Do you really need this spelled out for you? They have nothing to do with each other. We're 150 years removed from the civil war and the country is *far* more homogeonized than it was then.

100,000 votes was the difference in Ohio in 2004. A northerner was *that* close to winning the Presidency.

Reagan was the governor of California, which was part of the "North" during the civil war. This goes against your premise.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Teclo', 'O')K, if the South lost then why as I stated are recent US presidents from the South?

Let's see:
Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan for sure
I don't know about Carter, Nixon, or other post WW2 presidents, anyone?

My points is, so what if the North beat the South in the civil war, ever heard of losing a battle but winning the war?

The south is in control of the US, clear as day

Martin

[emailking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'L')et me give you a little truth here about the civil war. The war was NOT about freeing the slaves.

[holmes]

I agree emailking.
economics/profits need slaves.
The Machine needs as many slaves as humanly possible.
There was a sector that truly was morally against slavery but it really was mainly about creating the MACHINE of infinite growth. It ushered in the globalization exploitative capitalism/socialism.
The civil war was the beginning of the industrial globalization that we are seeing today.
The north was/is a hybrid beast. Part capitalism part socialism. Pure exploitative. Now everyones on board.

[SoothSayer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'A')merica is not going to just "break apart." We are the strongest power in the world. Nothing stops us. We have the largest military. We have the largest economy. We survive everything. Back in the war for independence, the British had pretty much every advantage against us, and we still kicked their asses. Several times. We always win in the end.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '.')..

Nothing changes.

[SoothSayer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '.')..

Nothing changes.

[holmes]

Please Non-Americans and anti-americans please understand Vietnam better. Communism was and is a REAL threat (as is globalized out of control capitalism). We had our hands tied in vietnam. If we were allowed to go all out, Vietnam would be a moon right now. We were controlled. and we lost more soldiers becuase of it. Please understand logistics before you post on the Americans disscussion. Thank you.
However I am not a proponent of vietnam or any war. A steady state economy would reduce most need for war.
I want America to become nuetral once again and pull back.
half of our military are some of the best warriors in the world. Semper FI! I would say Half are just there for the welfare. That is a rough observation being in for 4.5 years.
However as is war will eventually lead to bancrupcty. Living off rsources collected in war will never last. History proves.
Notice I do not troll in Europes discussion and discuss your scumbag histories and present day treachery.

[mortifiedpenguin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'A')merica is not going to just "break apart." We are the strongest power in the world. Nothing stops us. We have the largest military. We have the largest economy. We survive everything. Back in the war for independence, the British had pretty much every advantage against us, and we still kicked their asses. Several times. We always win in the end.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', '.')..

We're winning.

...

[Teclo]

Well alright, it's just I think as events transpire wise leaders would react to them and know when to push forward and when to tactically withdraw

The US relies on it's power and forces it's will so it remains to be seen if this plays out according to plan. There's no guarantee it will especially when the plan isn't going well so far

I don't know about anyone else but I ain't anti-america or hate america just think the forces in their politics suck and actually are screwing america

Big empires have fallen before and there's nothing special about the US that makes it immune from this... all I see is an image being projected of great power that's inconsistent with the reality that it's in debt to the rest of the world. If it's so great you should be lending money to the rest of us

Martin

[thedoge]

mortifiedpenguin wrote:
"America is not going to just "break apart." We are the strongest power in the world. Nothing stops us. We have the largest military. We have the largest economy. We survive everything. Back in the war for independence, the British had pretty much every advantage against us, and we still kicked their asses. Several times. We always win in the end."



Time will tell.

[Leaf21]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')ortifiedpenguin wrote:
"America is not going to just "break apart." We are the strongest power in the world. Nothing stops us. We have the largest military. We have the largest economy. We survive everything. Back in the war for independence, the British had pretty much every advantage against us, and we still kicked their asses. Several times. We always win in the end.

[galacticsurfer]

Having roots or relative in US, Canada, Western and Eastern Europe I hope I can be a bit impartial as I am not drooling over the downfall of USA like what happened to soviet empire.

To be technical a state would have to vote to secede like Vermont for example. There were a lot of centrifugal forces around in the 90s like in Italy and Yugoslavia with obviously different outcomes. The USA is really nowadays more divided into inner city, suburbs and the like nto just old regional divides. People of all races and classes have moved to the postal code where people think like they do so regionalism is less of a big deal. Mixed racial marriage has quadrupled among gen-x ers and younger so that is not so much of a problem as with the older guys. multilingualism is typical in lots of places like pakistan or African countries with single central governments and this will likely spread in USA particularly in Southwest and Florida. Lots of people in Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Africa speak several languages. In the US lots more immigrants are now keeping their old language due to satellite TV, etc than before. However generally the cultural disintegration of all those interest groups and languages disappears when people see a certain ideal or way of life threatened like after 911. In France the Moslems from North Africa will never be integrated into the French mainstream, probably same in Holland, Denmark, Germany, etc. Where a dominant culture exists with completely different values people are kept out of the system. Most of the terrorists come from European moslems due to their feeling of alienation from the big culture. In USA there are so many different types of people that everyone feels relatively equal due to the fact that no other group dominates completely as when English did pre Civil War era("whites" whether greek, Irish, German, English,Jewish or Japanese, Chinese) except blacks and poorer hispanics and Indians.

the trend to Post code regionalism will revert to standard regionalim after a generation or so of expensive or nonexistent cheap travel which has allowed the current stuation to come about but a total breakup won't happen until a very long time if at all. A Continental market with a central govt. has too many advantages to every region to want to secede completely(See Quebec-I have lots of relatives there and in Ontario). Trend could give back some states or regional rights as has always swung back and forth between central govt. and regional rights in history in most countries. Total disintegration is more like in Rome after 1000 years of development. The whole world would be in chaos if it were happening in USA so nobody would have reason to gloat.

[jmacdaddio]

[quote]That is nonsense. It has taken the Iraqi insurgents 3 years to kill over 2,000 US troops. Compared to other wars we have fought, that is nothing. We've killed how many insurgents now? Thousands? Not to mention the terrorist leaders we have captured. We're winning[quote]

Whoever is behind the Iraqi insurgency doesn't care about body counts. War is not a football game where we can point to a scoreboard and say, we've killed 20,000 of yours and you've only killed 2,500 of ours, so we win. They know that eventually, we will leave whether it's just in time for the 2008 elections or 2020 elections. I came across an article which explained how the mujaheddin defeated the Soviets in a similar scenario by bankrupting them: it cost the USSR several thousand dollars for every kill they inflicted while it cost Bin Laden and friends about a hundred for each kill they inflicted. The same thing is happening in Iraq today: consider how expensive each kill we inflict is (training, weapons, getting equipment over there, etc), while the insurgents are killing our soldiers with homemade contraptions costing about $150 per kill. We'll run out of money long before they run out of men willing to die for their homes and families.