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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby magician » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:45:54

i used to live a very different life than I live now. and I will leave it at that. take my posts at face value.

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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby basil_hayden » Sun 07 May 2006, 19:20:30

This thread brought to you by.....

the Hallucinogenic Sect of the International Brotherhood of Cannibals

or IBC for short...

Desensitizing humans one body at a time! [smilie=eusa_wall.gif]
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Sun 07 May 2006, 22:11:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'I')f you have no resources, only life a healthy body, then you risk your health and life by attacking somebody. A blow to your head delivered in a fraction of a second could end your life, or cripple you with the same net result distributed over longer time. Those who seek cooperation instead of violence will have better chances. Always been like that.


OK.. so if you do things cooperatively that means you have to find some people who have surplus and are willing to give it to you. Now I'm not going to give you a history lesson and think I've done something good like you just did, but there are countless examples in history where cooperation fails simply because there isn't enough to go around. Maybe you're living in some reality I'm not which allows you to see constant surpluses in every part of the world, at every point time. I guess starvation in 3rd world countries is just false media reporting or something.. yeah.. makes sense now.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'H')istorically, people band together. If you got several nasty warlords, those who protect their peasants will have a better time than those who kill them. Look at european history the last 1000 years. Lots of wars, but eventually the marauders get spanked by the ones who plan. When you have several competing warlords, people end up supporting the ones who protects them. If you try to attack and damage a village, there is a fair chance that one of your competitors view it as an attack on his property, and act properly.

Swizerland is interesting. They have proud traditions of pure defence. They have been sitting in the middle of the most war-thorn part of the world the last 800 years, crippling everyone who tried to attack them (and happily profiting from selling weapons to all parties in the european wars).

Russia is also interesting. It seem to have a castrating effect to attack Russia. The Swedes tried in the 1600's, and the previously war mongering Swedes ended up castrated. Sweden has been extremely peace-loving ever since. Next were the French in the 1800's. They fussed about a little in Vietnam and Algeria, but they have remained mainly peaceful since having their go at Russia. Last we had the Germans, who got this major shift in mentality after trying their luck in Russia.

I dont think you are stupid. I think you just have a little bad luck when thinking.


So you are equating people 'banding together' as meaning they never attack for resources. So I guess the Iraq war(s) weren't about resources, but freedom. I guess Japan attacking China, the USA, etc wasn't about resources in the 40's. Yeah those are just 2 examples, the further back we go the worse it gets.

I feel sorry for people like you that "know something" and just because you "know something" you think it relates somehow to something else. You lack the reasoning to make true connections, most probably due to whatever John Lennon social programming you received to think "good" only equates to helping one another whilst holding hands and chanting "peace".
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby MfromAmsterdam » Tue 09 May 2006, 08:56:38

people who start threads like these and open it with the following question:

"I was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers fighting in active wars and such get to see first hand death and killing, aswell as being the killers themselves sometimes. All of these skills *may* be useful post "SHTF", has anyone here done any preparation regarding this?"

are simply not well. I could start a whole story but you are not worth it.

getting ready to kill people. that is what you are actually are saying you freak.

from now on I'll ignore you.

this thread is bad for peakoil.com I think.

the only people that get slaughtered here are cornucopians.

I hope.

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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby MfromAmsterdam » Tue 09 May 2006, 09:02:38

and magician/ fr coyote: you were talking about drugs earlier with which you can reprogram your brains while spaceing out, weren't you?

being from amsterdam and liberal could you get me some? ;-

and send some to polestar.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 09 May 2006, 09:58:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MfromAmsterdam', 'b')lah blah im religious and on pot

from now on I'll ignore you.

this thread is bad for peakoil.com I think.

the only people that get slaughtered here are cornucopians.

I hope.

Michel van Ree


Lucky we don't have pot smokers from Amsterdam running the show. You know the country where you can pickup child pornography on the street. Thought you would be a little more open to small things like "killing" people. :lol:
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 09 May 2006, 10:13:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers fighting in active wars and such get to see first hand death and killing, aswell as being the killers themselves sometimes. All of these skills *may* be useful post "SHTF", has anyone here done any preparation regarding this?

I have heard about some people preparing for gun battles by using paint guns on their properties with an "invading" force and a "defending" force. So that they get used to their properties and hopefully take advantage of it.

Personally I have started to view more death pictures and videos, mostly from internet sites like rotten or ogrish. Does anyone know if this method will work , at least somewhat?



You are a sick and rotten cookie, I give you that.

Oh wait. I see it now. This is a social experiment. You want to know how far you can go and how people will react.

Nice try :P
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Tue 09 May 2006, 10:24:12

Polestar, are you suggesting that you should take on whole armies by yourself ? Evidently you are opposed to co-operation so I guess thats' what you must be stating.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 09 May 2006, 10:38:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'P')olestar, are you suggesting that you should take on whole armies by yourself ? Evidently you are opposed to co-operation so I guess thats' what you must be stating.


No? Why would you get that impression, and who said I am against cooperation?

All I know is that *now* I have no place to call a home. So first thing when shit hits the fan I am going to acquire one. I might be killed or maimed in the process and I know this risk. I will most likely attack the easiest area I can, preferably with old people or children, the less able men the better. Though all possibilities must be trained for.

I'm not the type who thinks it will be fun running from one battle to the next like some sort of rebellion leader or anything. If I see an army I'd most likely run, unless I thought the odds were in my favour and I wanted to protect something.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Tue 09 May 2006, 10:49:13

Fair enough, that about covers my question.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 09 May 2006, 10:52:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'A')ll I know is that *now* I have no place to call a home. So first thing when shit hits the fan I am going to acquire one. I might be killed or maimed in the process and I know this risk. I will most likely attack the easiest area I can, preferably with old people or children, the less able men the better. Though all possibilities must be trained for.

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Yeah its very brave to go for old people or children. And I agree you need substantial training to cut the throat of a cute 4 year old girl or a nice 80 year old grandma. :x (Just a thought: spare granny, she makes nice apple pies :cry: )

But if you don't have a home now and do what you say you gonna do, you will end up in a government funded building with a needle in your arm or an wired cold metal chair.

Better go down to the local asylum and tell them what you told us. I'm sure you will get immediately a nice home with some cosy rubberwallpaper ... :evil:
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby rwwff » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:01:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')All I know is that *now* I have no place to call a home. So first thing when shit hits the fan I am going to acquire one. I might be killed or maimed in the process and I know this risk.


I don't think there is any might about it.. You're going to spend all this time and effort acquiring some mental feature, and all it is going to do is get you dead.

You could spend the same time and effort taking some classes at a tech school learning metalworking or something similarly useful. Then you could just ask nicely and some farmer'd be happy to let you set up shop on a corner.

Now if its just the aim in your life to wait for some cataclysm, and then spend your last week on Earth in some orgy of blood and rage, then I suppose we won't be able to talk you out of it. But to revel in some fantasy of being Unforgiven's Bill Munny is just, well, silly.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:04:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'Y')eah its very brave to go for old people or children. And I agree you need substantial training to cut the throat of a cute 4 year old girl or a nice 80 year old grandma. :x (Just a thought: spare granny, she makes nice apple pies :cry: )


Like I care what you think is brave or honourable. When it comes to my life or someone elses I will take mine. It is selfish, it is life. You are in the luxurious position of not needing to worry about having a home so it's easy to sit on some "moral" high chair and take potshots. Not that I share your morals just that I understand them and can see what you are doing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'B')ut if you don't have a home now and do what you say you gonna do, you will end up in a government funded building with a needle in your arm or an wired cold metal chair.

Better go down to the local asylum and tell them what you told us. I'm sure you will get immediately a nice home with some cosy rubberwallpaper ... :evil:


You must be a on some sort of hallucination I'm not aware of. Shit hitting the fan means there is no law. If law eventually returns I am of the opinion that no bodies and no evidence equals no crime.

Why don't you just stop replying to threads like these lighthouse, you're an old fart with set views and values who isn't open to anything else. You continually show lack of respect by not reading what I am saying carefully enough to understand it. You keep coming back with the same old shit which I already addressed 50 posts ago. Go read that before you respond so you know where *I* am at.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:09:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I') don't think there is any might about it.. You're going to spend all this time and effort acquiring some mental feature, and all it is going to do is get you dead.

You could spend the same time and effort taking some classes at a tech school learning metalworking or something similarly useful. Then you could just ask nicely and some farmer'd be happy to let you set up shop on a corner.


And who said this option wasn't on the table for me, that is asking them? All I have been saying is I am not limiting my options. I already have skills in various areas that farmers and other survivors would find useful. I am also learning more.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'N')ow if its just the aim in your life to wait for some cataclysm, and then spend your last week on Earth in some orgy of blood and rage, then I suppose we won't be able to talk you out of it. But to revel in some fantasy of being Unforgiven's Bill Munny is just, well, silly.


Well it's a bit dire to predict I will only last a week *BECAUSE* of my actions. You like to put me up on that pedestal as an "evil never wins" thing. If you think I will just put my life in jeopardy willy nilly you obvious haven't read a lot of my posts.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:20:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'N')ow if its just the aim in your life to wait for some cataclysm, and then spend your last week on Earth in some orgy of blood and rage, then I suppose we won't be able to talk you out of it. But to revel in some fantasy of being Unforgiven's Bill Munny is just, well, silly.


Well it's a bit dire to predict I will only last a week *BECAUSE* of my actions. You like to put me up on that pedestal as an "evil never wins" thing. If you think I will just put my life in jeopardy willy nilly you obvious haven't read a lot of my posts.


I'm with rwwff on that one. The problem with you attitude is that you always will be on your own. Even you team up with other mercenaries who think like you, you will never be able to trust them completely. You will have to watch your back, because one of them could slit your throat for the bread roll or the Apple or the ammunition in your pocket. This is the weak point of your strategy, you know, you have to sleep now and then and you can not trust anyone.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby rwwff » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:25:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')Well it's a bit dire to predict I will only last a week *BECAUSE* of my actions. You like to put me up on that pedestal as an "evil never wins" thing. If you think I will just put my life in jeopardy willy nilly you obvious haven't read a lot of my posts.


Not dire at all, and your last sentence proves it. You just don't understand the history of human evolution. Everyone's life is almost always in a state of jeopardy. When you boil it down to biology, we are medium weight predators; this means we are all offense and very low on the durability scale. A 60 inch, 80 lb, 12 year old girl with a sling shot can kill you dead where you stand. You survive on her's, and everyone elses' forebearance. Hollyweird might like to portray things a little differently, where the bad actor intimidates the town or village, but thats only because it makes for good drama and suspense. In reality, some pesky 10yr old is going to bean you in the back of the head with a rock and you'll drop like a bag of wet laundry. Your only prayer then will be that you die of a brain hemorage before they wake you up.

It doesn't have squat to do with evil or good either.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:34:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'N')ot dire at all, and your last sentence proves it. You just don't understand the history of human evolution. Everyone's life is almost always in a state of jeopardy. When you boil it down to biology, we are medium weight predators; this means we are all offense and very low on the durability scale. A 60 inch, 80 lb, 12 year old girl with a sling shot can kill you dead where you stand. You survive on her's, and everyone elses' forebearance. Hollyweird might like to portray things a little differently, where the bad actor intimidates the town or village, but thats only because it makes for good drama and suspense. In reality, some pesky 10yr old is going to bean you in the back of the head with a rock and you'll drop like a bag of wet laundry. Your only prayer then will be that you die of a brain hemorage before they wake you up.


:lol: nice example.

And it's true, don't get me wrong. The thing is however, you think knowledge of crimes travel through mind waves or something. I kill someone in some house somewhere and immediately everyone will know, or something. This isn't a videogame.

IF you think the "bad guy" sniper can't drastically scare a town then you really have not done much research into wars, especially recent ones. I am sure you must have even heard about american troops fearing snipers when they go on patrols in Iraq. "Fearing" . Doesn't this imply fear? No wait, it doesn't imply anything it STATES it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')t doesn't have squat to do with evil or good either.


Ok it just sounded like it was all. You think because I kill a few people, burn a few houses down or steal a loaf of bread I will only last one week. I think this because you are only saying it to a reply of one of my posts. If you think everyone on average will only last a week I will take that.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby rwwff » Tue 09 May 2006, 11:52:16

I used the word intimidate, not fear. Fear is a natural and positive response, and causes 10 year olds to bean aggressive adults with rocks. Unlike in the movies, when the 10 year old beans you with the rock, you don't say "ow" and rub your head; you drop. Depending on the situation waking up again could be a good thing, or a bad thing.

As to knowledge of crimes, maybe out west, things are different. I'm just pulling maps of the terrain I know and understand, East Texas and Louisiana. In the land I know, your strategy can only result in your rapid demise. But like I said, we can't stop you from trying it, if thats how you want to end your life.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby parsifal » Sun 21 May 2006, 13:15:57

You may be densisitsing yourself to the horrors that you may have to commit to survive.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 21 May 2006, 13:30:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('parsifal', 'Y')ou may be densisitsing yourself to the horrors that you may have to commit to survive.


There are horrors that one might commit, believing they are necessary for survival, but which in fact, only guarantee their rapid demise.
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