[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'I')nteresting. What makes you think you will be able to claim land without upsetting the current land owners? I think landownership will be sacred and land will be heavily defended and you will be shot if you try to claim someone's land. The only valuable assets will be gold and land.

Again if you have nothing yet, you will be fucked in a post PO society.

My advice: Get out of debt now, own your house and land, get rich, own more land and gold. How? Use your brain, believe me its fun!

Exactly! But you have to own it and not the bank! Just look what happened to mortgaged landowners in the great depression.

I don't agree on that one. Again look at the great depression. The poor and the middle class were fucked. Yes, wealth was redistributed but just to guys like Howard Hughes. Again post-PO will not be fun if you don't have anything before TSHTF.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'P')olestaR, what makes you think you are in control of your own life in a hardcrash scenario?
When a mob takes over your place, kills your familly and rapes your sorry ass, would you still think you are in control and can die happy?
If your parents die a painful death because there is no medicin, would that be unpredictable and fun enough?

I guess we can agree to disagree on these matters.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')
The great depression is going to look like a holiday compared to the post PO shit hitting the fan. The great depression was just a world wide recession, probably one which didn't need to happen and wouldn't have given our knowledge of economics now.

Shit hitting the fan is the point where joe sixpack no longer can afford to eat or have a home. People who are close to the line of survival do crazy things as most people know. The population now compared to 1930's is like 3 times greater. It's like a pressure cooker getting filled with people, the more people the fuller it is and the more pressure there is.

A soft landing would look like a great depression initially, and who knows how long it would last, probably 5-10 years minimum. This allows the further complete rape of the environment and tighter restrictions on the populace. In my opinion if you *want* the soft landing option you simply don't have a high enough intelligence to know why it is the worst possible outcome. The soft landing approach sounds comfortable to people which is why they immediately jump into that camp based on their conditioning.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')
The great depression is going to look like a holiday compared to the post PO shit hitting the fan. The great depression was just a world wide recession, probably one which didn't need to happen and wouldn't have given our knowledge of economics now.

Shit hitting the fan is the point where joe sixpack no longer can afford to eat or have a home. People who are close to the line of survival do crazy things as most people know. The population now compared to 1930's is like 3 times greater. It's like a pressure cooker getting filled with people, the more people the fuller it is and the more pressure there is.

A soft landing would look like a great depression initially, and who knows how long it would last, probably 5-10 years minimum. This allows the further complete rape of the environment and tighter restrictions on the populace. In my opinion if you *want* the soft landing option you simply don't have a high enough intelligence to know why it is the worst possible outcome. The soft landing approach sounds comfortable to people which is why they immediately jump into that camp based on their conditioning.

[magician]

yeah i dont have shit, we rent, grow a huge garden, stock up on emergency supplies and try to have a great relationship with our landlord who happens to like fresh organic vegtables. shithole jobs and an anarchist lifestyle. bicycles not cars, ect. feels fucking great. I can't wait for a fast crash. im pretty damn sure its gonna be pretty fast. like the last moves in jenga I watch cantrell, north sea, SUV's climate change and (something not mentioned nearly enough) total eviseration of the US economy and the USD. no more hell hole jobs, no more gas for the growing police state, no more useless eaters. I happen to be totally confident in our place in the future (whatever it holds) because of a few facts about me.

1) skilled herbalist
2) wilderness survival instructor (including edible and medicinal wild plant ID)
3) crack shot (like using a jennings .22 at 100 yds on pumpkins because I CAN
feel and see the shot in my head)
4) a wife who is 75% in the above three
5) lots of post peak skills we can barter with (medicine, ninja skills, bicycle repair, reiki, bio-intensive gardening, wild food foraging, ect)
6) lots of friends who are in the same boat and some of whom listen to me, and
are stocking food and ammo
7) vaguely open to the idea of cannibalism

basically i am going to do what im doing now until its not comfortable, safe, or possible. a slow crash would create a very hard life for me and mine. economic depression, expansion of police state / martial law, rationing, anti-hoarding measures, travel restrictions, work farms ect. fortunatly, catabolic collapse is on the menu and here in the US its going to be hard and fast. centralized govt is first to fall when diesel food trucks stop running.

oh and also on the menu is people who make remarks about psychopaths and not being welcome in their communities. have fun hippies cause when the bad shit starts, all your good intentions will fall away like a mask that hid years of not preparing for the brutal end of fighting for food and wishing you could have just lived in that nice eco village that i just burned. wanna talk about pulling together in the tough times, read your bible. when theres no food people kill each other.

a man with nothing aint got nothing to lose, and if you cultists want to conceptulize this standpoint as anti-christ go right ahead. visualize me real hard as evil and powerful. breathe slowly when you do it. fear it. feel the annoying.........BOO!

fr. coyote

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'S')orry if I gave you the impression you would just stroll up to a house and they'd let you have it. What I was talking about was taking it by force. I have no doubt the occupants will not want to be evicted but when it's a case of you or me, I'll choose me.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('magician', '
')a man with nothing aint got nothing to lose, and if you cultists want to conceptulize this standpoint as anti-christ go right ahead. visualize me real hard as evil and powerful. breathe slowly when you do it. fear it. feel the annoying.........BOO!

fr. coyote

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'H')m, let me put this in perspective. You are more than welcome at my place. We will give you food and shelter for a night. Maybe longer if you are able to help out.

But if you even try taking what's mine by force, my three sons and I will put you down like a sick dog. Don't even think about trying it. You definitely will become compost in my orchard ...

Besides, you will find this kind of welcome with all well fed farmers. You do not stand a chance, weak, hungry and exhausted as you will be in a post PO society to make it up the hill to the house. Not to mention you ability to take it by force.

Better knock on the door and ask the guys with the shotguns pointed at you for food and shelter. Oh don't forget to mention that you are prepared to work for it.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('magician', 'y')eah i dont have shit, we rent, grow a huge garden, stock up on emergency supplies and try to have a great relationship with our landlord who happens to like fresh organic vegtables. shithole jobs and an anarchist lifestyle. bicycles not cars, ect. feels fucking great.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')
As I said previously Lighthouse, these are things which I am preparing for now. I don't think people will not put up a fight and that is what I am training for. As you would most likely train for a defensive situation. Whoever wins will win, obviously.

You think you will be able to beat all mauraders and all I can say to you is good luck. I have nothing against you personally.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('magician', 'y')eah i dont have shit, we rent, grow a huge garden, stock up on emergency supplies and try to have a great relationship with our landlord who happens to like fresh organic vegtables. shithole jobs and an anarchist lifestyle. bicycles not cars, ect. feels fucking great.

[MfromAmsterdam]

Lighthouse deserves his name. and Polestar...you suck.

unless you worked for Blackwater, Delta Force or in the tropics of Africa for Oxfam and have seen REAL shit instead of just getting off on it while jerking I'll say: please shut up.

you are not impressing anybody here with youre talk about being prepared to eat people.

by the way, youre fantasy wll not ensue globally. I'm from Holland. here the problem is recognized. 80 trajects/paths to divert our way of life away from oil have been identified. 25 WILL be ensued in a Delta-plan way (named after our project to controll the sea around us, we have sometimes trouble with water).

Scandinavia and Germany are also starting to get moving. off course we will have difficulties, but Germany & Co. will not go down. only you 'Anglo's' who think there John Wayne.

don't worry, there is time for us. everything will be alright. except your pathetic life off course.

Michel van Ree

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '
')Besides, you will find this kind of welcome with all well fed farmers. You do not stand a chance, weak, hungry and exhausted as you will be in a post PO society to make it up the hill to the house. Not to mention you ability to take it by force.

Better knock on the door and ask the guys with the shotguns pointed at you for food and shelter. Oh don't forget to mention that you are prepared to work for it.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'A')fter thinking a while about the essence of your posts I came to the conclusion that people like you brought us where we are at the moment.

Why? Quite simple. Instead of building your own foundation and getting the skills you would need to feed yourself you are planning to take whatever you can get even if you have to burn eco villages and kill the treehuggers in there and all the skills they have developed to grow their own food. Your only skill is pulling the trigger.

Raping the earth, what a genius concept. Not very new though.

Fortunately for the rest of us, you guys are so self centred that the probability that you kill each other for a loaf of bread is quite high.

Don't worry you will make good compost, blood and bones so to speak.

Actually as more I think about it as more I'm disgusted.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MfromAmsterdam', 'L')ighthouse deserves his name. and Polestar...you suck.

unless you worked for Blackwater, Delta Force or in the tropics of Africa for Oxfam and have seen REAL shit instead of just getting off on it while jerking I'll say: please shut up.

you are not impressing anybody here with youre talk about being prepared to eat people.

[rwwff]

re: Assaulting and holding someone elses land...

After you've taken this land by force, exactly why would Bob, two parcel's and a half mile away, not simply choose to snipe you from his porch some evening. He knew Joe, and probably had handshake agreements with him over peaches or grazing or swapping catfish for corn. You take Joe's farm, all your new neighbors are 1) gonna be real upset. 2) greed factor, you've got no rightful claim to that farm, so they got no reason not to just snipe you some evening and give Joe's farm to their son.

You've chosen a very unlikely course towards long term survival.

[BastardSquad]

I really love threads like these

You just can't buy entertainment like this

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BastardSquad', 'I') really love threads like these

You just can't buy entertainment like this

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '.')..

You say it is my fault I do not have land and own it outright before shit hits the fan, and I say you're an idiot.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '
')I'm 43 years old working as an Author/Journailist, have recently sold all my investment properties and share portfolios I build during the last 20 years.